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Post by givemeethekeys »

jpgvm wrote: post #58

No. The talent shortage is not a myth. The unemployed/underemployed American programmer that can actually keep up is a myth. Everyone good (without additional baggage) is either a) employed or b) could be employed whenever they feel like it. If you aren't good enough then don't be surprised the companies prefer an immigrant. You don't get an automatic American free pass for having less skills, experience, interviewin…

When the incentives are so strong for a company to hire someone who will remain loyal for less pay, skills is definitely not the issue. The company can invest in the employee that is smart enough (and utterly unskilled), even if it costs them $100k up front.

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Post by georgeburdell »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #53
billsunshine wrote: post #4

No doubt h1b is abused. Corporations use it to structurally underpay tech labor. Shame to anyone defending this abuse as some sort of pro immigration policy - it hurts both domestic workers and underpays migrant labor. The question is - what % of this labor could be sourced domestically and what actually needs to be imported?

> The question is - what % of this labor could be sourced domestically and what actually needs to be imported? I mean, the other question is: how many US jobs exist because of folks who came to the country on H1B? Clearly none of the big tech companies would exist in the scale they are without us.

H1B was created in the 90s. The industry had been around for nearly 50 years at that point.

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

ecshafer wrote: post #52
gymbeaux wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As with many systemic issues in the U.S., it boils down to "publicly traded company must have highest profit possible so line on chart goes up". As much as I dislike FAANG companies in general for all their anti-worker efforts, I can't honestly blame them for making decisions that look good on the balance sheet. If I am a company, and I can choose to hire 10 U.S. engineers for $200k a pop, or 10 H-1B engineers for $1…

You mudt have gotten lucky with your coworkers. Ive worked with people who claimed to be “experts” in a domain that didnt have basic skills. I would say 5% were excellent, 5% good. 90% worthless. Coupled with weird insular cultural dynamics, poor english and communication skills, poor throw it over the wall mentality. Its overalll a huge net negative for a company. Perhaps its different in FAANG. But in enterprise co…

>poor throw it over the wall mentality

And that's exactly why managers keep hiring them. If you're a defensive manager who just wants to keep your head down and grind out the years before moving getting a "senior" or "principal" manager job somewhere else then a bunch of compliant workers who'll punt anything messy onto some other team is exactly what you want.

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Post by vdqtp3 »

jpgvm wrote: post #58

No. The talent shortage is not a myth. The unemployed/underemployed American programmer that can actually keep up is a myth. Everyone good (without additional baggage) is either a) employed or b) could be employed whenever they feel like it. If you aren't good enough then don't be surprised the companies prefer an immigrant. You don't get an automatic American free pass for having less skills, experience, interviewin…

> The unemployed/underemployed American programmer that can actually keep up is a myth.

Is your argument that the H1-B folks are better? That hasn't been my experience.

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Post by [deleted] »

brainwad wrote: post #29
orangecoffee wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internships are these, and are getting longer. I'm also thinking this is what will stop the transfer of roles to another part of the world. Of course using AI is a skill. But the effort needed to get there is becoming lower and lower.

Internships at my employer pay 6 figures. I've never seen a minimum wage SWE internship.

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Post by lou1306 »

orangecoffee wrote: post #28
lou1306 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why companies aren't offering minimum-wage SWE-1 jobs already? Could it be that the output of an AI tool still needs a modicum of skill and craft to evaluate?

Internships are these, and are getting longer. I'm also thinking this is what will stop the transfer of roles to another part of the world. Of course using AI is a skill. But the effort needed to get there is becoming lower and lower.

Well not exactly. An internship is a temporary position, which people mostly just take to improve a CV at an early career stage, or as a fallback after being laid off. A "minimum wage job" is... A job.

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Post by whatwhaaaaat »

ulfw wrote: post #25
whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #6

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No the solution is hiring American workers and implementing strict on soil laws for pii just like other countries are doing (India for example). I have learned a great deal and been enriched by my friendships with foreign born workers, but to act like h1b workers come “ready to perform software engineering duties” at any higher rate than new grad higher is funny.

And American software shouldn't be bought by foreign entities/customers anymore. Because why would we? Just make it only by Americans and sell it only to Americans and see how that goes.

Why can India make on soil law but not the US?

Should we boycott anything from India because of the on soil laws?

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Post by profdevloper »

jpgvm wrote: post #58

No. The talent shortage is not a myth. The unemployed/underemployed American programmer that can actually keep up is a myth. Everyone good (without additional baggage) is either a) employed or b) could be employed whenever they feel like it. If you aren't good enough then don't be surprised the companies prefer an immigrant. You don't get an automatic American free pass for having less skills, experience, interviewin…

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Post by trueismywork »

wildrhythms wrote: post #34
throwaway2056 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should try to communicate to managers (that are US citizens or greencard holders) that decide on H1B/outsourcing.

They are rewarded for cutting the budget, and undercutting domestic workers. Until that changes, this problem will continue. Or workers could unionize.

If the same work can be done abroad with less money, then it's time to place sanctions on govts that allows their workers to be underpaid.

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Post by jpgvm »

bradlys wrote: post #60
jpgvm wrote: post #58

No. The talent shortage is not a myth. The unemployed/underemployed American programmer that can actually keep up is a myth. Everyone good (without additional baggage) is either a) employed or b) could be employed whenever they feel like it. If you aren't good enough then don't be surprised the companies prefer an immigrant. You don't get an automatic American free pass for having less skills, experience, interviewin…

Work at faang/etc. I don’t see any notable difference between immigrant and non-immigrant. Arguably, one could say the Americans are better because they typically have less education and still manage to do the same job. Somehow managing to do the same job but with less training? That sounds like someone who is “better” to me.

You are proving my point - FAANG hires the top tier talent, and makes extensive use of both the global talent pool and sponsoring immigration in order to meet their needs.

The Americans you work with (along with your other co-workers) meet the bar.

If there were more Americans that met the bar they would employ them before taking on all the extra work and cost of immigration.

I'm not talking about Americans you work with. I'm talking about the mythical ones you don't work with that are somehow disadvantaged by H1B and thus unemployed/underemployed. You don't work with these people because they don't exist.

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