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Re: Polis: Open-source platform for large-scale civic deliberation

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Post by acgourley »

observationist wrote: post #44
acgourley wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We really need proof of soul systems to exist, extended to also have a proof of citizenship. While the proof of soul systems can plausible be done in a decentralized manner, proof of citizenship is much harder, and in my opinion this is one of (the few) things the government should really do.

The casual ginger hate is disgusting. smh. It's funny to think of how the US government is effectively a decentralized web of trust system. Building one that works, that has sufficient network effects, auditability, accountability, enforcability, so that when things are maliciously exploited, or people make mistakes, your system is robust and resilient - these are profound technically difficult challenges. The US gov…

> they need a corresponding level of enforcement

Yes 100%, that's why the government needs to offer it, make tampering a serious offense, and dynamically defend its integrity from attackers.

> incorruptible AGI

Not a lot of alpha in planning for scenarios where we get that

Re: Polis: Open-source platform for large-scale civic deliberation

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Post by INTPenis »

goda90 wrote: post #12

What are some strategies a platform like this can take against spam or influence bots? Tying real life identities to users would certainly limit that(though identity theft and account selling could still happen), but that adds friction to joining, poses security risks, and many people might feel less comfortable putting their opinions openly online where backlash could impact real life.

eID is the obvious answer here in Europe. Right now it's kinda scattered with different providers, but I believe EU is working on a more universal protocol. Unfortnately there are rumors it will require official Google/Apple play stores, unrooted devices, and all that it does today already.

But it should be treated as a relatively safe ID, it's even used for voting. If you feel uncomfortable, just have one device for eID, and one for everything else.

I think it's a great tool if we want to implement some sort of liquid democracy feature.

Re: Polis: Open-source platform for large-scale civic deliberation

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Post by kwk1 »

jackbravo wrote: post #62
jph00 wrote: post #15

The x.com/twitter "Community Notes" feature is based on this algorithm, BTW. (Disclaimer: I'm on the board of the org that runs Polis.)

I don't see anything but an inactive account on that link.

It's not meant to be a link, rather "X (formerly Twitter)"

Re: Polis: Open-source platform for large-scale civic deliberation

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Post by protocolture »

acgourley wrote: post #26
Lerc wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either I'm not sure what you mean by soul, or you are all-in on dualism.

Sorry the term of art is really soulbound identity right now, I use POS but it's less common. Definitions vary but I say a useful system must allow people to endorse statements with evidence they are a) alive b) not able to be represented by more than one identity (id is linked to your entire soul, not a persona or facet of your being) c) a kind of socially recognized person (human in the expected case) and then laye…

How would this work considering that the soul is an entirely fictional concept?

Re: Polis: Open-source platform for large-scale civic deliberation

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Post by protocolture »

Taikonerd wrote: post #13
davidw wrote: post #3

Interesting, but how's it work out when people believe in "alternative facts"? That seems to be a pretty big problem in many places. I think I can find some common ground with people who have different views on corporate taxation if we both go over some data and economics and think about it and consider various tradeoffs. Especially if we chat face to face to avoid any 'keyboard warrior' effects. I probably can't fin…

IIUC, this was a finding when they ran the Polis experiments in Taiwan: when you map the arguments of the different sides, there are actually large areas of agreement. In other words, the median person who disagrees with you is a "potential common ground" guy, not a "planet Zargon" guy.

I find that the median person who disagrees with me, actually agrees with me, but I accidentally triggered their social media PTSD and they flagged me as an enemy because I didnt slavishly polish their preferred set of boots.

Re: Polis: Open-source platform for large-scale civic deliberation

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Post by longfacehorrace »

INTPenis wrote: post #63
goda90 wrote: post #12

What are some strategies a platform like this can take against spam or influence bots? Tying real life identities to users would certainly limit that(though identity theft and account selling could still happen), but that adds friction to joining, poses security risks, and many people might feel less comfortable putting their opinions openly online where backlash could impact real life.

eID is the obvious answer here in Europe. Right now it's kinda scattered with different providers, but I believe EU is working on a more universal protocol. Unfortnately there are rumors it will require official Google/Apple play stores, unrooted devices, and all that it does today already. But it should be treated as a relatively safe ID, it's even used for voting. If you feel uncomfortable, just have one device for…

So a local ballot box.

Host a platform like this at city hall, county building, capitol building, schools.

Only a human can access a terminal. Have humans monitor ingress/egress.

A more generalized solution that solves the specific problem inherent to all these digital ones.

Re: Polis: Open-source platform for large-scale civic deliberation

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Post by saulpw »

tamimio wrote: post #55
eikenberry wrote: post #2

More at https://compdemocracy.org/ and source code at https://github.com/compdemocracy/polis .

What I am more interested in seeing, hopefully, in the future is the ability to cast citizens' votes directly on any matter, act, bill, etc., and get rid of the representatives in parliament/congress/etc. It is more transparent that way, and end lobbying with all the corruption it has. No more traditional voting for a "person" anymore and relying on trust; rather, you trust no one and vote directly. We have the prope…

Regardless of ignorance, people don't vote even every year or two, because it's inconvenient, they're busy, and they become cynical after months of negative campaigning on both sides. We need "assigned voting" where you can assign your vote to another person, who then can assign their votes to another person, etc, creating a chain of voting hierarchy such that a few people control large numbers of aggregate votes, and in most cases that's enough to decide things and get things done. People can always un-assign/re-assign their votes (shifting the political landscape), or even override their assigned vote on a particular bill, if they disagree with their "elected" representative.

Re: Polis: Open-source platform for large-scale civic deliberation

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Post by kipukun »

renato_shira wrote: post #59
goda90 wrote: post #12

What are some strategies a platform like this can take against spam or influence bots? Tying real life identities to users would certainly limit that(though identity theft and account selling could still happen), but that adds friction to joining, poses security risks, and many people might feel less comfortable putting their opinions openly online where backlash could impact real life.

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I'd like to add to your point that private torrent trackers have had invite tree systems for awhile, and usually if your invitee breaks a rule, you get in trouble as well, so you are encouraged to only invite people you trust. The system has worked well for a long time, and some of these communities still thrive because of the trust that is built.
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