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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#61

What happens when you press ctrl+o? You get verbose mode?

I just tested, it shows you which files it read, same as first example he gave "Where you used to see."

Yeah just that it's not real time and you have to toggle to see it. It lags a bunch also in longer threads. Definitely a downgrade.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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LLMs are super efficient at generating boilerplate for lots of APIs, which is a time consuming and tedious part of programming.

> They are aggressively manipulating social media with astroturfed accounts, in particular this site and Reddit.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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All my information about this is being based on feels, because debugging isn't really feasible. Verbose mode is a mess, and there's no alternative. It still does what I need so I'm okay with it, but I'm also on the $20 plan so it's not that big of a worry for me. I did sense that the big wave of companies is hitting Anthropic's wallet. If you hadn't realized, a LOT of companies switched to Claude. No idea why, and th…

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This has to be a bot account, right? 2 days old.

Yesterday "I don't know about you, but I benefit so much from using Claude at work that I would gladly pay $1,500-$2,000 per month to keep using it."

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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post #6

All my information about this is being based on feels, because debugging isn't really feasible. Verbose mode is a mess, and there's no alternative. It still does what I need so I'm okay with it, but I'm also on the $20 plan so it's not that big of a worry for me. I did sense that the big wave of companies is hitting Anthropic's wallet. If you hadn't realized, a LOT of companies switched to Claude. No idea why, and th…

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I notice and think about the astroturfing from time to time.

It seems so gross.

But I guess with all of the trillions of investor dollars being dumped into the businesses, it would be irresponsible to not run guerrilla PR campaigns

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#65
As soon as there is a viable alternative to Claude Code, I'm gone after this change. It appears minor on the surface but their response to all the comments tells you everything you need to know. They don't even want to concede at all, or at least give a flag to enable the old behavior, what was deployed and working for many users before. It's a signal that someone, somewhere at Anthropic is making decisions based on ego, not user feedback.

The other fact pattern is their CLI is not open source, so we can't go in and change it ourselves. We shouldn't have to. They have also locked down OpenCode and while there are hacks available, I shouldn't have to resort to such cat and mouse games as someone who pays $200/month for a premium service.

I'm aggressively exploring other options, and it's only a matter of if -- not when, one surfaces.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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All my information about this is being based on feels, because debugging isn't really feasible. Verbose mode is a mess, and there's no alternative. It still does what I need so I'm okay with it, but I'm also on the $20 plan so it's not that big of a worry for me. I did sense that the big wave of companies is hitting Anthropic's wallet. If you hadn't realized, a LOT of companies switched to Claude. No idea why, and th…

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I don’t understand how you can conclude that LLMs are a dead end: I’ve already seen so much useful software generated by LLMs, there’s no denying that they are a useful tool. They may not replace seniors developers, and they have their limitations, but it’s quite amazing what they already do achieve.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#67

I'm not sure this is a regression, at least how I use it - you can hit control + o to expand, and usually the commands it runs show the file path(s) it's using, and I'm really paranoid with it, and I didn't even notice this change.

i've never had to use control + o before but with the latest changes, i give Opus a simple task that should take a few seconds and it's like "used 15k tokens" and "thinking" for three minutes with absolutely zero indication or visibility as to what it's actually doing and i have to ESC ESC it to stop and ask what the FUCK are you actually doing claude?

I think this change is really disingenuous.

If they hide how the tool is accessing files (aka using tokens) and then charging us per token - how are we able to track loosely what our spend is?

I’m all for simplification of the UX. But when it’s helping to hide the main spend it feels shitty.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#69
Well, they already fucked over the community with their "lol not really unlimited" rug-pull.

For those of you who are still suckered in paying for it, why do you think the company would care how they abuse the existing users? You all took it the last time.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#70

There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

Exactly how I feel. I'm happy that more people are using these tools and learning (hopefully) about engineering but it shouldn't degrade the core experience for let's say "more advanced" users who don't see themselves as Vibe coders and want precise control over what's happening.
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