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Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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>Notably absent on resume and in the news article is proficiency in AI or machine learning, You say that like it's a bad thing.

Yeah, we wouldn't want someone who understands the most revolutionary technology in 100 years to be the technical advisor to the mayor of the largest city in the United States or anything. That would be silly.

Why do you assume she doesn't understand it? From her Wikipedia article:

"Gelobter enrolled in Brown University in 1987, eventually graduating in 2011 with a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science with a concentration in artificial intelligence and machine learning."

Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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What is this business about her role in GIFs? She helped invent Macromedia Shockwave.... Not remembering any kind of connection between those things... I mean, animated GIFs were already a thing that popularized on their own.... nothing to do with Shockwave really. Just both contributing at the same time to popularizing or encouraging the use of animation on the web, yeah?

The misinformation around this is ridiculous. There's a bunch of articles, written more recently than not, that all make some kind of unfounded claim that Shockwave lead to GIFs or GIF animation. One of them is the source for the line in the Wikipedia article that makes a similar claim. The Wikipedia doesn't even mention her working at Netscape ever either. Brutal.

Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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Can an American please help me comprehend how much power a mayor has? I am supposing a NYC mayor would be more influential than that of a less important city. But I still don't understand how that would make an appointment like this significant.

He has control over city agencies, budgets, personnel. Has little or no power as it relates to laws or infrastructure (like the MTA)--that's all state level.

Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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This is a bad puff piece article. Jeffrey C Mays the author is not technologically adept. She was a software engineer for a year. She was director of program management at Macromedia, which anyone who works in tech knows is more like a secretary type of role asking for project updates and timelines. I take issue with the title: `Groundbreaking Computer Scientist` in the NYT article, I challenge anyone to show me proo…

As most people who have worked in engineering at large companies can attest, there are entrenched dinosaurs who have worked themselves up the management chain due to inertia. This is such an example. They are almost always out of their depth technically, and are great at taking credit for the work of others. There are people in this comments section, and online claiming she invented Adobe Shockwave. This article clai…

The Director of Program Management may have had the initial, vague idea. Is that "invented"? It almost certainly wasn't "implemented the first working prototype"...

Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In September 1995 Netscape Navigator 2.0 added the ability for animated GIFs to loop. > To enable an animation to loop, Netscape in the 1990s used the Application Extension block (intended to allow vendors to add application-specific information to the GIF file) to implement the Netscape Application Block (NAB). VS from the article: > Lisa Gelobter, a computer scientist who helped shape the modern web by leading th…

She was Director of Program Management, which is different from Product Management as well. You can google what a program manager usually does, and its usually not inventing things or technical work.

"Invented" as in being the first to ask "is there a way we could...?"

Most likely not "invented" as in "created the first working prototype".

Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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Can an American please help me comprehend how much power a mayor has? I am supposing a NYC mayor would be more influential than that of a less important city. But I still don't understand how that would make an appointment like this significant.

Obviously NYC is very big and very wealthy. But the powers of a Mayor depend on the city.

I'm not a New Yorker, but here's how I understand it: NYC mayor appoints a bunch of people who run various bureaucratic legs of the city government. The guys who manage taxes, zoning, and whatnot. But the Mayor has to get those people approved by the city council. The mayor can also veto policies written by the city council, but he can be overruled with a two-thirds vote by the council. The council writes the budget, and the Mayor can only approve it or veto it.

This all sounds pretty normal, but it actually varies a lot depending on the city. In Chicago, for example, the Mayor writes the budget, instead of the council. But, the Aldermen (a Chicago city council member is called an Alderman btw) have a lot more power downstream of the budget, since they control stuff like zoning within their respective wards. The Aldermen also redraw their own political boundaries every 10 years, with no input from the Mayor whatsoever. I guess I'd say Chicago's mayor has less "first-order" power but more "second-order" power compared to NYC's mayor. Chicago is weird.

What should you make of this? I'm not sure. Maybe Mayors in Europe or Asia have way more power than Mamdani does, I don't know. I reckon that NYC mayor has more power than most American mayors, even when you ignore the differences in scale.

Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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https://archive.is/fM36L Lisa Gelobter, whose work helped shape the modern web, was also on the launch team at Hulu. Ms. Gelobter was the director of program management at Macromedia where she helped develop Shockwave into a web plug-in that allowed for video games and animation on the web, turning still images into moving GIFs — animated images known as a graphics interchange format. Notably absent on resume and in…

Why do you think she doesn't have an high-level knowledge of AI? Like what's a NN, a transformer, how they're trained? Anyone can pick that up over a weekend. She doesn't need to have experience training models or designing new architectures for this job. EDIT - someone posted a link to her Wikipedia article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Gelobter ), which states: "Gelobter enrolled in Brown University in 1987,…

I’m not thinking granular low-level knowledge, but rather a strategic point of view to shape the tech strategy and organizational goals of NYC.

We know that AI has to form part of that story and so you want a CTO who can steer clarity and vision, without resorting to keyword soup and hype.

To be clear, I have no signal where this CTO is likely to fall on that spectrum, so I’m very much looking forward to the difference she will make.

Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t have access to the article, so I’m basing this response solely on your comment. I wonder if the author thinks all animations on the web are called GIFs. So being part of creating one of the early methods of publishing animations on the web (Shockwave) confused the author.

I think somebody is trying to push a narrative. A now deleted post was pointing to this https://seattlemedium.com/lisa-gelobter-the-trailblazing-com... And I can see how maybe the author of the post this entire thread is about could see this and just roll with it. For the record the link I post seems to be entirely and completely wrong, and if I had such a post written so factually wrong about me, all while trying to…

It's interesting to poke around and see how the game of telephone works.

The first mentions I saw on Twitter were from February 2018[0]. Subsequent Black History Months[1] would reiterate how she invented GIFs or sometimes animated GIFs. You even get crazy things like how she invented the animated GIF while working with the Obama administration[2]. (That post references an article that talks about her working with the Obama administration that doesn't mention GIFs[3]. The author just merged the two things she's credited with.)

In 2024, the story is that she invented the GIF at Netscape[4], which obviously makes little sense. It could be a reference to GIFs looping, but I see no evidence for that, especially since her LinkedIn[5] doesn't say she worked at Netscape. She worked at Macromedia, which involved work with Netscape, and I suspect the genesis is her work on Shockwave during that time (2005-2010), and that was taken to be a precursor to animated GIFs (obviously false, but an easy mistake for someone young and non-technical. Maybe it's a cultural precursor to modern animated GIF usage in people's minds?)

Overall, though, this is a pretty dumb thing for them to claim, even if the claim is widespread across the Internet these days. She was roughly 17 when animated GIFs were first developed.

As I said, it's interesting to see how the game of telephone plays out. I don't think anyone involved in this was intentionally spreading false information, and I don't really expect random Twitter users to fact-check carefully. I would like NYT to put some effort into it. As it is, we now have a NYT touting an obviously-false claim when she actually did a lot of really important and impressive stuff they could focus on instead. There's no need to spread fake accolades for her. Her actual contributions stand on their own.

[0] https://x.com/Reel365/status/960288180447694848

[1] https://x.com/search?q=%22Gelobter%22%20%22gif%22%20until%3A... / https://x.com/search?q=%22Gelobter%22%20%22gif%22%20until%3A... / https://x.com/search?q=%22Gelobter%22%20%22gif%22%20until%3A...

[2] https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:share:7034543821...

[3] https://theblackwallsttimes.com/2022/08/18/computer-scientis...

[4] https://seattlemedium.com/lisa-gelobter-the-trailblazing-com...

[5] https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisagelobter/details/experience/

Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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Unnecessarily being voted down. Post is adding some information. Doesnt violate any HN rules. cc @dang

HN doesn't have rules it has guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't know what the difference is intended to be but the guidelines also don't have anything to say about voting on comments except not to complain about it. The comment sucked so I downvoted it. Yours too.

> The comment sucked

A great CTO not only guides the technical strategy based on business direction BUT ALSO shapes the business strategy informed by technology direction.

We know that AI has to form part of that story and so you want a CTO who can steer clarity and vision, without resorting to keyword soup and hype.

To be clear, I have no signal where this CTO is likely to fall on that spectrum, so I’m very much looking forward to the difference she will make.

Re: Mamdani Hires Lisa Gelobter as Chief Tech Officer

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think somebody is trying to push a narrative. A now deleted post was pointing to this https://seattlemedium.com/lisa-gelobter-the-trailblazing-com... And I can see how maybe the author of the post this entire thread is about could see this and just roll with it. For the record the link I post seems to be entirely and completely wrong, and if I had such a post written so factually wrong about me, all while trying to…

It's interesting to poke around and see how the game of telephone works. The first mentions I saw on Twitter were from February 2018[0]. Subsequent Black History Months[1] would reiterate how she invented GIFs or sometimes animated GIFs. You even get crazy things like how she invented the animated GIF while working with the Obama administration[2]. (That post references an article that talks about her working with th…

Addendum: In the paragraph after merging Shockwave and GIFs, NYT references a Forbes interview[0] where she specifically says she didn't invent GIFs.

NYT:

> Ms. Gelobter was the director of program management at Macromedia where she helped develop Shockwave into a web plug-in that allowed for video games and animation on the web, turning still images into moving GIFs — animated images known as a graphics interchange format.

Interview linked in the very next paragraph:

> Gelobter: I want to clarify that I did not create GIFs although I get credited for it a lot. I think people conflated thinking about animation on the web as being animated GIFs but that was Shockwave. Again, what we did with Shockwave was transformative.

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jumokedada/2021/02/18/meet-the-...

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