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LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

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Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

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Post by rablackburn »

Garrett_Mack wrote: post #31

Hi everyone, I'm the creator of LiftKit. This project is EXTREMELY early and, as everyone has pointed out, not ready for production use. It's a solo project I work on in my free time. I'm a self-taught, so a lot of the weird choices you're seeing can be attributed to the decisions of someone who had never built something like this before. LIFTKIT IS FREE AND OPEN SOURCE. The website's just out of date. https://github…

Hi Garrett,

I love the project -- even if I agree with a lot of the critique in this thread. Critique that is very high quality, professional feedback that you should take as a very big compliment.

I think every Front End developer or designer dreams of this idea(+) at some point, but you're the madlad who actually did it. It feels like you've posted an implementation of everyone's baby and tugged at our heart-strings ;)

It's fantastic, keep going.

(+) a truly consistent design system that Just Works. See GEB for why not :(

Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

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Post by Garrett_Mack »

cluckindan wrote: post #6
candiddevmike wrote: post #5

I thought this was an unhinged parody of a design site, kinda surprised it's a real thing. Unfortunately the design isn't for me, things look off center and the overall "weight" of components feels off.

Agreed. I’ve spent considerable time on scale-based design, and 1.618 always feels too large of an interval.

Yep. It's way too large in linear scales. but if youre using an asymmetrical scale, it can be quite useful indeed.

You don't have to use it though. The system works with any scale factor. 1.618 is just the default.

This video explains in detail how the system works with lots of visual aids.

https://youtu.be/r1DANFZYJDw

Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

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Post by Garrett_Mack »

stevage wrote: post #55
cluckindan wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I’ve spent considerable time on scale-based design, and 1.618 always feels too large of an interval.

1.618 is complete nonsense that people hang on to because they want it to be true. It doesn't stack up, neither in ancient Greek times, nor in the renaissance, nor today. It's a dumb idea that needs to die.

but nautilus shells pretty

Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

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Post by Garrett_Mack »

deepfriedrice wrote: post #46
tkzed49 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I clicked on Dropdown, thinking it's one of the more complex things to implement. It doesn't even have a picture.

I did the same with Select. No picture and the API doesn't make sense. The options are specified twice. https://www.chainlift.io/components/select

Yeah it's a huge problem. Not accessible either. Idk what I was thinking.

The next release will use radix primitives.

Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

#65

Post by heliographe »

tom_ wrote: post #16

Here's a tip: any time you've got before/after screen grabs, don't do this thing where you've got to drag a line to switch between the two, don't have a fade, don't have a sliding transition, or anything like that. Just have it display one, then have a single button that you click to have it immediately display the other. Then when you click the button again, it goes back to displaying the first one again. Click, cli…

I always found this UI pattern a bit odd, because there just aren't that many situations where you want to compare the left side of image A and the right side of image B.

I see it a lot in photography, to show before/after processing - but what you want to be able to quickly compare are the same part of an image with and without the processing applied.

One of the photography tools I make is a LUT viewer/converter - and while I didn't have the slider at first, I guess it's standard enough at this point that people asked for it and I added it.

But I made two additions to it that make it more useful IMO:

- have labels on the left/right top corners, so it's immediately clear which version of the image you're looking at

- click and hold on the image to preview the full unprocessed version; release to revert to the view. That makes it easy to quickly compare the two versions of the same spot of a photo. (similar to what you suggest, but non-latching)

I have a video of it in action here:

https://lutlab.com/#viewer-photo

Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

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Post by Garrett_Mack »

stevage wrote: post #53

>In LiftKit, everything derives from the golden ratio, I don't think the authors realise the extent to which their product, which looks well made and useful, is being completely undermined with this nonsensical pseudoscience.

Hi, I'm the author, it me. You're right, I need to be clearer that golden ratio doesn't automatically equal beautiful. It's not sacred geometry. It's just pretty. I like it. And studies show people at large tend to find the proportions pleasing.

It's just a rule of thumb, that's all. I just went crazy on the copywriting because I thought I'd need to in order to get the kit to stand out.

I have now been extremely informed that this is not the case.

Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

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Post by Garrett_Mack »

rablackburn wrote: post #61
Garrett_Mack wrote: post #31

Hi everyone, I'm the creator of LiftKit. This project is EXTREMELY early and, as everyone has pointed out, not ready for production use. It's a solo project I work on in my free time. I'm a self-taught, so a lot of the weird choices you're seeing can be attributed to the decisions of someone who had never built something like this before. LIFTKIT IS FREE AND OPEN SOURCE. The website's just out of date. https://github…

Hi Garrett, I love the project -- even if I agree with a lot of the critique in this thread. Critique that is very high quality, professional feedback that you should take as a very big compliment. I think every Front End developer or designer dreams of this idea(+) at some point, but you're the madlad who actually did it. It feels like you've posted an implementation of everyone's baby and tugged at our heart-string…

Aw. Got me emotional over here. Thank you for the support! Definitely won't give up. And definitely do take the feedback as a compliment!

Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

#69

Post by Garrett_Mack »

gavmor wrote: post #68

Things I look for in a UI library: 1. Clean, expressive interface, 2. Extensive documentation. That being said, good on you for shipping! I would like to try it just for the mystery factor.

Thanks! It'll get there eventually, for sure. Feedback like the stuff in this thread helps a lot.

Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"

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Post by gmurphy »

When we designed Chrome, since minimalism was our thing and screens used to be small, A LOT of time was spent on the total vertical space - thin titlebar, slightly bigger tabstrip, and a large toolbar. Lots of discussion, lots of questions

Telling people the height ratios between them followed the golden ratio was a very convenient way to shortcut the bikeshedding and get to "aha, very nice"

The trick was it didn't follow the golden ratio at all because the golden ratio is not some magic number that leads to balance and peace - lighting, rounding, color, and visual strength all dramatically outweigh it

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