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Re: The Waymo World Model

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Wow, interesting timing for this PR blast considering the admission in the Senate Commerce Committee hearing. Not transparent at all!

What was the admission? That they use cheap labor to provide the waymo clarity when it is confused? That has been known for a long time.

Re: The Waymo World Model

#62

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The purpose of lidar is to prove error correction when you need it most in terms of camera accuracy loss. Humans do this, just in the sense of depth perception with both eyes.

How expensive is their lidar system?

Hesai has driven the cost into the $200 to 400 range now. That said I don't know what they cost for the ones needed for driving. Either way we've gone from thousands or tens of thousands into the hundreds dollar range now.

Re: The Waymo World Model

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post #27

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What would be an example city? Waymo just announced they're ramping up in Boston: https://waymo.com/blog/?modal=short-back-to-boston "we’re excited to continue effectively adapting to Boston’s cobblestones, narrow alleyways, roundabouts and turnpikes."

Various European cities come to mind: Narrow streets are something of a trope in certain movies/genres.

To be fair, many of those films do not portray human drivers in the best light.

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The purpose of lidar is to prove error correction when you need it most in terms of camera accuracy loss. Humans do this, just in the sense of depth perception with both eyes.

How expensive is their lidar system?

Cheaper every year.

Re: The Waymo World Model

#67
post #39

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My understanding is that support is basically playing an RTS (point and click), not a 1P driving game. Which makes sense, if they were directly controlling the vehicles they'd put support in central America for better latency, like the food delivery bot drivers

Yeah. Waymo described how this works a couple of years ago: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/

Right, I totally believe Waymo, just like I totally believed Amazon's checkout-less stores.

Re: The Waymo World Model

#68

What's going to happen to all the millions of drivers who will lose their job overnight? In a country with 100 million guns, are we really sure we've thought this through?

> What's going to happen to all the millions of drivers who will lose their job overnight? In a country with 100 million guns, are we really sure we've thought this through?

Same was said about electricity, or the internet.

Re: The Waymo World Model

#69
It feels intellectually negligent to me that models like those used by Openpilot have no auditable concept of what a car, or a sign, or a person is.

Just where lines are and when a car should accelerate or break. The rest of the latent state is "based on pixels."

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#70
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Yes, let's stop all progress and roll-back all automation to keep hypothetical angry people with guns happy.

Autonomous private cars is not the technological progress you think it is. We’ve had autonomous trains for decades, and while it provides us with a more efficient and cost effective public transit system, it didn’t open the doors for the next revolutionary technology. Self driving cars is a dead end technology, that will introduce a whole host of new problems which are already solved with public transit, better urban…

Nope. Humans are statistically fallible and their attention is too valuable to be obliged to a mundane task like executing navigation commands. Redesigning and rebuilding city transportation infrastructure isn't happening, look around. Also personal agency limits public transportation as a solution.
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