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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by danaris »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #54
tokyobreakfast wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The call is coming from inside the house.

As effective calls to action often do! It's almost tautological when I say it this way, but if you want people working in ad tech to oppose ICE you have to convince them it's good for people working in ad tech to oppose ICE. Perhaps the conflict is that you just want to make people who work in ad tech feel bad, and don't care whether or not they enable ICE? That's fine, I suppose, there's industries I feel the same w…

> you have to convince them it's good for people working in ad tech to oppose ICE.

Yes—and one of the tools we have for that is shunning.

If enough of us who are appalled and disgusted by the state of things, and the people who willingly lend themselves to creating said state, make our disgust with those people known, it can lead to some of them choosing to act differently, because they care about being thought well of by their fellow techies.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by learingsci »

int0x29 wrote: post #23
hikkerl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Get a warrant. The federal government should not be "soliciting vendors" for my location. I love how the accounts defending ICE are always brand new.

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by trhway »

cluckindan wrote: post #60
trhway wrote: post #15

ICE got additional $80B over next 4 years in addition to the standard appropriations resulting in $28B budget for example in this year. That definitely gonna buy a lot of “market research”.

For comparison, what is the cost of immigration?

To whom? To the country losing people or to the country getting people? Like, what is the cost of Elon Musk immigration? And who bears that cost? And who enjoys the benefits of it?

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by fauchletenerum »

stephantul wrote: post #20

This has bean a long time coming. This is a stark reminder that you should consider who the future stewards of whatever you are building might be. We built a vast surveillance network under the guise of servings ads and making money, and lost track of how this power could be abused by an entity not aligned with our own values.

From day one everyone who worked on these ad-tech surveillance systems knew they had the capability for abuse. They were built to come as close as possible to the legal limits of surveillance and in several notable cases crossed that line. This isn't a surprise to anyone

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by obsequiosity »

anonym29 wrote: post #31
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about blocking ads, but blocking tracking. If you connect to internet you are being tracked even though you block known tracking URLs. e.g. Hacker news uses no tracking url but uses Cloudflare which tracks the user across sites for things like bot detection.

You are not powerless. https://0xacab.org/dCF/deCloudflare

The prominent link there not protected by https redirects to the wikipedia page for "uphill battle"...who and why about that redirect is the question being posed perhaps but how alarmist do we want to be?

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Post by saubeidl »

riazrizvi wrote: post #47
doctoboggan wrote: post #5

Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

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Enforcing racial purity laws is abuse? Why are you impeding the Gestapo, a federal law enforcement agency? Why do you hate law and order, dirty anarchist?

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Post by salawat »

doctoboggan wrote: post #5

Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

It wasn't a hypothetical future back in the time of DoubleClick.

In the words of the XO from the Alfa class submarine to his CO in The Hunt for Red October: "You've killed us, you ass."

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by Symbiote »

anonym29 wrote: post #38

Don't forget - Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon, Oracle, etc are all proud partners of the US intelligence community, which includes DHS and ICE. When the NSA asked these companies to participate in an unconstitutional and unlawful program (as ruled by a federal judge) called PRISM, they didn't fight, they eagerly complied. They kept their compliance secret. They lied about it to citizens, to their users, to their cu…

And for Europeans or those in other countries: every dollar spent on these companies is supporting their support of Trump; that's against Greenland, NATO etc. For example, Microsoft donated $1M (IIRC) to Trump for Davos.

At work we have stopped buying new American services, but there's been very little reduction of existing use.

(Yet we did manage a policy stating we won't buy anything from Russia.)

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by andsoitis »

testfrequency wrote: post #59
doctoboggan wrote: post #5

Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

If you’re not awake already, you support what’s happening. Blind, which I realize is a bit of the wild west, is full of racist anti-immigration/pro ICE hatred. Obviously, you can see where users work/worked, and it’s every company you could imagine. The sad reality is that a lot of people will do what they can to support racist agendas, possibly even motivate them to work at certain companies as it feels moralizing t…

> you support what’s happening.

I don’t know that things are that black and white.

Do you feel the same about the billions of consumers who buy and use the products these companies make?

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