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Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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gorgolo wrote: post #40
aacid wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need ID to buy cigarettes and alcohol, prescription drugs or to get sim card... you will need it to register for social network account... do not seem as big of a deal to me. Even less when considering all the positives.

When I show my ID at the cash register I assume the person working there doesn’t instantaneously memorize all my details and then write down when exactly I was at the shop, along with other details, to use this info later for their own reasons. Whereas if I upload my ID to a tech company (that potentially answers to both my own government and foreign governments, as well as having its own ad-related agenda) I am a bi…

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Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by yomismoaqui »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #29

Seems easier to justify if social media owners are hanging out with child sex traffickers and enabling features that let you undress anyone who posts photos to the site.

If we follow that logic maybe some of the politicians that have created/voted for this would have liked a visit to that infamous island.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by Markoff »

aacid wrote: post #23
budududuroiu wrote: post #3

So... de-facto mass deanonymisation of all Spanish social media users? I see a lot of supporters of these policies either not acknowledge that you can't identify under-16yo without identifying over-16yos.

You need ID to buy cigarettes and alcohol, prescription drugs or to get sim card... you will need it to register for social network account... do not seem as big of a deal to me. Even less when considering all the positives.

that's exactly my proposal with protecting children online - issue unique certificates for some symbolic price like 1EUR which will be sold over 18yo in shops exactly same as alcohol and cigarettes where nobody writes down your ID details, heck don't even have a look if you look old enough, that's as far as I am willing to go to protect kids (without this certificate) online, anything else is just internet deanonymization

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by Markoff »

hn666 wrote: post #43
budududuroiu wrote: post #3

So... de-facto mass deanonymisation of all Spanish social media users? I see a lot of supporters of these policies either not acknowledge that you can't identify under-16yo without identifying over-16yos.

While I'm in favour of limiting social media for kids, there doesn't seem to be a right way to do it unless this system doesn't store identification data, just confirms their age and deletes everything.

there is, identify users with anonymous code bought exactly same as cigarettes and alcohol in shops where they don't write down your data or don't even have look at your ID card if you look old enough

any age identification done online is not anonymous

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by Ekaros »

lava_pidgeon wrote: post #13
pjc50 wrote: post #10

This is really globally coordinated, isn't it? I'm just not sure why now and not previously. Is it just that Twitter went over the toxicity threshold that everyone noticed?

why is it globally coordinated? Maybe just bunch of politicians find the idea appealing after Australia implemented it?

Very cheap way to appear to be doing something about anything. Lot of talk, a few memos. All implementation burden on private sector. Aimed at group that can't currently vote. Only ones against it on principle care about implementation not actually the ban.

And some of us think it doesn't go far enough. I would set limit to 18. Would solve lot more issues. Like make adult content fully allowable by default as everyone can automatically be considered to be an adult then.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by Markoff »

chrisjj wrote: post #8
budududuroiu wrote: post #3

So... de-facto mass deanonymisation of all Spanish social media users? I see a lot of supporters of these policies either not acknowledge that you can't identify under-16yo without identifying over-16yos.

> So... de-facto mass deanonymisation of all Spanish social media users? So all Spanish social media users are currently anonymous? I do not think so.

de iure yes, prosecution would need to prove you was actually using the computer which posted whatever online

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by croon »

surgical_fire wrote: post #56

They should just ban social media outright, regardless of age.

We just need a distinct definition first. Moderated forums were kind of great in general. Early social media with chronological feeds of your friends were useful too. The nebulous algorithms pulling people into reinforcing rabbit holes of trash or simply optimizing for "engagement" (outrage) is the primary issue IMHO.

If we can only ban the bad stuff, great, but it's rarely that easy.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by elashri »

I feel like people avoid the elephant in the room that social media companies became too influential and too big that going after them for addictive and dark patterns is not possible. Specially that most of them is in the US with current political situation it will not be possible anyway.

So they are taking half measures that are more problematic on different aspect like privacy.

Not to praise China, but it seems they seem to do doing better job against their big companies to prevent such situations (please don't pass the point here).

I think things would be much better if these companies is to be held accountable for their actions beyond the current fines that they just consider it now cost of doing business.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by Markoff »

pjc50 wrote: post #10

This is really globally coordinated, isn't it? I'm just not sure why now and not previously. Is it just that Twitter went over the toxicity threshold that everyone noticed?

Well COVID green pass didn't work out to save us all from deadly flu with 0.31% fatality rate[1][2], so now they are trying it to save our children with digital ID...

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187603412... [2] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

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