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Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not these wind farms are economically viable sounds like something for the companies building them to work out.

They are 100% not viable without tax dollars

Neither is petroleum, nuclear, or the highway system. What's your point?

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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post #2

posted this at ars forum: (it should be clear I think it was a stupid move by the WH, but I am trying to think what might have "informed" it) Steelmanning the risks, its the link to mainland as a weakness in supply chain of power, compared to onshore sources possibly. But, the construction is in close water, well inside the exclusive economic zone. You would think passage of a craft capable of causing a power shock w…

Treating offshore wind like ports and pipelines from a security POV makes sense, it's exactly what we do with offshore O&G. The rub is that securing offshore wind installations is an order of magnitude more resource-intensive than securing a deepwater rig, bc you're talking about a perimeter than spans 100's of square miles, not a single platform with a limited # of risers

> Treating offshore wind like ports and pipelines from a security POV makes sense

No it does not. Even if you'd manage to disable an entire wind farm, the impact on the grid as a whole is negligible. An attacker has to spend a whole lot of effort on such an attack for very little, if any at all, gain.

In contrast, shell a port or the right piece of infrastructure [1] and entire economies can get wrecked. And shell an oil rig... I mean, I seriously hope even the Russians don't sink that low but hey they did attack a goddamn NPP and a hydropower dam... anyway, taking out an oil rig risks an environmental disaster similar to Deepwater Horizon. That's a lot more effect for an opponent.

The actual threat to wind farms is software. We've seen that in the early days of the Russian invasion of Ukraine - the Russians took down satellite modems [2], causing about 6000 wind turbines to lose their command infrastructure and thus stop generating power.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_colla...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viasat_hack

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

#64
post #24

3 more years. I don't know who the Dems can elect to go against JD Vance, maybe Tim Walz, but they need somebody.

3 more years til the next dog and pony show but different colors.

The midterms this year can already seriously throw wrenches into the Project 2025 plans. Trump's failure to address the economy situation, the constant and ongoing wars, ICE seriously disrupting agriculture and construction sites, ICE executing white people in front of cameras [1] and now the latest Epstein crap... Democrats are flipping what used to be solid-red seats these days.

People are fed up. Assuming there will be free elections - as absurd as it is to even write this sentence referring to the US, but here we are [2] - it most probably will end in an utter wipeout for MAGA. They'll have the President, of course, but assuming the Democrat leadership finds some spine - again, an assumption, given Schumer - stuff has the potential to change.

On top of that are state and local level elections that are all the time. Stuff like school boards, sheriffs, whatever that is where MAGA and the Evangelicals built out their initial networks. All of that can be flipped around as well, if people actually bother to show up and vote.

[1] See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shootings_by_U.S._immi... - it is notable that widespread outrage only followed after the execution of Renee Good and Alex Pretti

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/02/georgia-fult...

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

#65
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are 100% not viable without tax dollars

Neither is petroleum, nuclear, or the highway system. What's your point?

Wind is the worst of all, otherwise the UK would have the cheapest energy in the West, instead of the highest

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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post #24

3 more years. I don't know who the Dems can elect to go against JD Vance, maybe Tim Walz, but they need somebody.

A wet towel could go against JD Vance, but what if Vance shutters polling stations in blue districts? Because "terrorism".

Weird to see this so downvoted on the same day that Trump asked republicans to "Nationalize" elections in 15 places. Whatever that means.

> “Republicans should say, ‘We want to take control of this. We need to take control of voting in at least 15 places.’ Republicans should nationalize voting,” [Trump] said on the podcast of former FBI deputy director Dan Bongino, which was relaunched on Monday.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

#68
post #63

If these projects ultimately end up canceled they’ll be the largest “mostly done” infrastructure projects to be cancelled. A huge waste. And a monument to US incompetency.

> incompetency "corruption"

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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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post #45
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worse than the Superconducting Supercollider?

Yes far worse, the superconducting supercollider produced science which has debatable value. There’s an argument we lost nothing by canceling the project. Wind farms produce electricity which pays for the investment when you finish but pays nothing when a stop early. This makes stopping early extremely economically harmful.

The effective electricity rate in MA is already $0.37/kWh. How much further could it go?
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