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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by Amezarak »

postflopclarity wrote: post #55
Amezarak wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama actually pioneered non-judicial deportations. Under his administration, 75% of removals took place without the established immigration hearing process. Many (most?) ICE deportations taking place today are after "due process" "judicial" hearings, that is, a final order of removal being issued by an immigration "judge." This is generally ignored by news reporting. https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed…

> Indeed, you can safely strike the word "unprecendented" from almost all journalism "Border patrol murders unarmed subdued citizen in broad daylight on film and then lies about it" I think is pretty unprecedented. at least as far as I know. > Many (most?) ICE deportations taking place today are after "due process" "judicial" hearings CITATION NEEDED.

There’s more than a thousand fatal US police shootings every year with various levels of justification, many impacting people totally innocent of anything, even if we accept your propagandized mischaracterization of what happened. (I don’t blame you for this. It’s being pushed hard, and the other sides propaganda is no more truthful.)

Aside from regular shootings, Obama (perhaps not so famously) killed a 16 year old US citizen overseas in a country we were not at war with, then refused to explain why. Off the record, officials said he should have had a better father (who had been killed in an earlier drone strike.) Somehow, everyone failed to turn out for this and similar abuses of power.

There’s nothing new or unusual about this.

> CITATION NEEDED.

I already provided you a citation showing that 75% of deportations in a prior administration happens without any due process, showing that even if this statement wasn’t true (obviously the weaker version is) then it’s not at all unprecedented. Yet all the rage is in the here and now.

It’s also worth noting that, as I alluded to, immigration court is administrative anyway, not judicial. “Immigration judges” are just DoJ employee, not judges.

The most concerning thing about this is how many people have been radicalized into believing committing felonies by interfering with, harassing, and assaulting LEO is not only legal but safe. Even blocking them is a crime. At this point we’re at a situation where millions of people believe the laws we passed as a representative democracy are so illegitimate violence - not just peaceful protest - is justified against the state. This is a really bad sign and it’s getting people killed.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

kreetx wrote: post #36
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should it?

These people just haven't been convicted - yet . Of course, you might say "not guilty until proven otherwise", which is true. But they are in the US illegally anyway.

Edit 2: Before reading on don't bother, this person isn't American so has no understanding of what the words they are typing mean in the American system, that immigration judges aren't Article III criminal judges, that immigration violations are civil violations not criminal, etc.

Being honest/truthful really doesn't matter to you folks, does it? You made a claim that was bullshit to try and sway people. And are willing to sacrifice the unimportant 'due process' that we have in the USA. You all really believe in nothing, and especially don't believe in America.

Edit: You are trying to confuse/blend 'deporting criminals' to be something other than the American understanding of criminal, and you know it. I'm not wasting further time on your bad faith word spinning. You don't understand/care about the American system, you just want to abuse words to paint a false picture. Sad that we have so many people like you in our country that don't' understand it/believe in it, and would give up the security we tried to build into it at the cost of blood for your personal short term political reasons.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by [deleted] »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #63
kreetx wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people just haven't been convicted - yet . Of course, you might say "not guilty until proven otherwise", which is true. But they are in the US illegally anyway.

Edit 2: Before reading on don't bother, this person isn't American so has no understanding of what the words they are typing mean in the American system, that immigration judges aren't Article III criminal judges, that immigration violations are civil violations not criminal, etc. Being honest/truthful really doesn't matter to you folks, does it? You made a claim that was bullshit to try and sway people. And are will…

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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by dyauspitr »

Amezarak wrote: post #49
dyauspitr wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How often did ICE violate the 4th Amendment under Obama? How many court orders did they ignore? How many people were deported without due process?

Obama actually pioneered non-judicial deportations. Under his administration, 75% of removals took place without the established immigration hearing process. Many (most?) ICE deportations taking place today are after "due process" "judicial" hearings, that is, a final order of removal being issued by an immigration "judge." This is generally ignored by news reporting. https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed…

You seem to conveniently ignore the 4th amendment violations and the ignored court orders.

Obama had “fast-track” deportations but also convenient ignore that this administration is doing it under the aliens enemies act which is a wartime authorization and most importantly deporting people to “third” countries.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by JayNitram »

kreetx wrote: post #54
JayNitram wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Masked people rushing a car and drawing weapons and the driver panicking. Now ask me who appears to escalate the entire situation. Or what the actual penalty for impeding a lane of traffic is.

From what I've read, there was some kind of community watch and/or protest going on for ICE there, patrol cars, etc. But you're saying she had the suspicion that a few masked thugs had accidentally gotten lost within the police operation?

We are too far past the fascist crap too entertain this stupidity. I get it, you don't see a problem with any of it. Now go enjoy your dumb little life and I am going to go back trying to find ways to help make friends and family I have in the Minneapolis area feel safe again.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by mc32 »

Jtsummers wrote: post #56
mc32 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check CNN polling. It’s been pretty consistent over the last year or two: 56% to 62% of Americans support the deportation of all immigrants living in the U.S. illegally, according to various surveys from late 2025 and early 2026, including data often discussed in connection with CNN analysis and other outlets.

Your original claim: > It’s understood ~60-ish percent of the pop want all aliens deported not only criminal aliens Your "evidence": > 56% to 62% of Americans support the deportation of all immigrants living in the U.S. illegally [emphasis added] You do realize that the polling does not support your original claim, right? That "illegally" bit is rather critical and, notably, missing in your original statement.

The subject is people who entered illegally or have remained past their visas. Illegal aliens under federal law. Outside of kooks, no one wants to deport legal residents. They may want to limit some form of migration but that’s not the question and that’s not what ICE are concerned with. It’s not even in their scope in any way.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by Jtsummers »

mc32 wrote: post #68
Jtsummers wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your original claim: > It’s understood ~60-ish percent of the pop want all aliens deported not only criminal aliens Your "evidence": > 56% to 62% of Americans support the deportation of all immigrants living in the U.S. illegally [emphasis added] You do realize that the polling does not support your original claim, right? That "illegally" bit is rather critical and, notably, missing in your original statement.

The subject is people who entered illegally or have remained past their visas. Illegal aliens under federal law. Outside of kooks, no one wants to deport legal residents. They may want to limit some form of migration but that’s not the question and that’s not what ICE are concerned with. It’s not even in their scope in any way.

> Outside of kooks, no one wants to deport legal residents.

I agree, but that's not what you wrote in your original comment and were asked to defend and then failed to defend. You claimed that 60% of the population wants all aliens deported. The word "all" there means your claim included legal residents. Now you're backpedaling, I guess.

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