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My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by mapt »

Marsymars wrote: post #46
IncreasePosts wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if I could trust AI for big things, but I had nagging wrist pain for like a year, any time I extended my wrist (like while doing a pushup). It wasn't excruciating but it certainly wasn't pleasant, and it stopped me from doing certain activities (like pushups) I visited my GP, 2 wrist specialists, and physical therapist to help deal with it. I had multiple x rays and an MRI done. Steroid injection done. A…

I guess it’s not nothing that Gemini caught that, but that seems like a pretty obvious oversight from the healthcare practitioners - inquiring about RSI injuries should be one of the first things they ask about. I pre-emptively switched to trackballs and to alternating left/right hands for mousing near the start of my professional career based on the reading I did after some mild wrist strain.

I think that 90% of what we get from doctors on musculoskeletal injuries that aren't visible on a simple X-ray is either oversight, or a bias towards doing nothing specifically because treatments have health, administrative, and financial costs and they might not help. There is no time authorized to do deep diagnostic work unless something is clearly killing you.

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by WarmWash »

alexpotato wrote: post #44

One of my kids recently had a no-contact knee injury while playing basketball. He immediately started limping and crying and I had to carry him from the court to the car. I did some searching with Grok and I found out: - no contact injuries are troubling b/c it generally means they pulled something - kids don't generally tear an ACL (or other ligament) - it's actually way more common for the ligament to pull the anch…

>I did some searching with Grok

Grok is...not most people's first choice.

At least both OpenAI and Deep Mind do medical fine tuning, and both are almost certainly paying doctors to do it.

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by q3k »

scuff3d wrote: post #50

I feel like we're in the part of the dystopian SciFi movie where they explain how civilization discovered some technological advance that they thought would be a panacea to all their woes. And despite not really understanding it or it's limitations, just started slapping it on absolutely everything, and before they know what happened everything comes crashing down.

We are witnessing the Great Filter in action.

(and not just with the AI stuff)

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by koshergweilo »

candiddevmike wrote: post #4

I think the article can basically be summed up as "GenAI sychophancy should have a health warning similar to social media". It's a helluva drug to be constantly rewarded and flattered by an algorithm.

I think that's doing the article a disservice. "Some patients prefer the service of AI doctors to real doctors, even though they definitely do get a lot wrong" is what I got out of it.

Personally I think the article spends a lot of time trying to show that AI may be able to improve health outcomes, particulaly for rural patients, but IMHO it doesn't spend nearly enough time talking about the current challenges

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by MisterTea »

kingstnap wrote: post #12

> she said she was aware that DeepSeek had given her contradictory advice. She understood that chatbots were trained on data from across the internet, she told me, and did not represent an absolute truth or superhuman authority With highly lucid people like the author's mom I'm not too worried about Dr. Deepseek. I'm actually incredibly bullish on the fact that AI models are, as the article describes, superhumanly em…

> They are infinitely patient, infinitely available, and unbelievably knowledgeable, it really is miraculous.

This is a strange way to talk about a computer program following its programming. I see no miracle here.

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by Marsymars »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #59
IncreasePosts wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if I could trust AI for big things, but I had nagging wrist pain for like a year, any time I extended my wrist (like while doing a pushup). It wasn't excruciating but it certainly wasn't pleasant, and it stopped me from doing certain activities (like pushups) I visited my GP, 2 wrist specialists, and physical therapist to help deal with it. I had multiple x rays and an MRI done. Steroid injection done. A…

I was having wrist pain from using the mouse, and switched to a trackball, issue solved, if the wrist doesn't move/flex, it doesn't get strained, therefore no pain. The only thing that moves is my thumb, and it's much better for flexing than the wrist, also it has a tiny load to manage vs the wrist.

I did the same, though to non-thumb trackball (CST2545), which I find also virtually eliminates wrist stress.

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by snarky_dog »

HPsquared wrote: post #29
kingstnap wrote: post #12

> she said she was aware that DeepSeek had given her contradictory advice. She understood that chatbots were trained on data from across the internet, she told me, and did not represent an absolute truth or superhuman authority With highly lucid people like the author's mom I'm not too worried about Dr. Deepseek. I'm actually incredibly bullish on the fact that AI models are, as the article describes, superhumanly em…

If the computer is the bicycle of the mind, GenAI is a motor vehicle. Very powerful and transformative, but it's also possible to get into trouble.

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Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by code_biologist »

Marsymars wrote: post #46
IncreasePosts wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if I could trust AI for big things, but I had nagging wrist pain for like a year, any time I extended my wrist (like while doing a pushup). It wasn't excruciating but it certainly wasn't pleasant, and it stopped me from doing certain activities (like pushups) I visited my GP, 2 wrist specialists, and physical therapist to help deal with it. I had multiple x rays and an MRI done. Steroid injection done. A…

I guess it’s not nothing that Gemini caught that, but that seems like a pretty obvious oversight from the healthcare practitioners - inquiring about RSI injuries should be one of the first things they ask about. I pre-emptively switched to trackballs and to alternating left/right hands for mousing near the start of my professional career based on the reading I did after some mild wrist strain.

I had progressively worsening pelvic floor pain issues that AI helped me with and are now in remission/repair. My decade of interaction with multiple urologists and clinicians could be characterized as repeated and consistent "pretty obvious oversight from the healthcare practitioners".

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by Marsymars »

mapt wrote: post #61
Marsymars wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it’s not nothing that Gemini caught that, but that seems like a pretty obvious oversight from the healthcare practitioners - inquiring about RSI injuries should be one of the first things they ask about. I pre-emptively switched to trackballs and to alternating left/right hands for mousing near the start of my professional career based on the reading I did after some mild wrist strain.

I think that 90% of what we get from doctors on musculoskeletal injuries that aren't visible on a simple X-ray is either oversight, or a bias towards doing nothing specifically because treatments have health, administrative, and financial costs and they might not help. There is no time authorized to do deep diagnostic work unless something is clearly killing you.

I’ve had good results with doctors for soft tissue injuries, but it doesn’t feel like something that GPs are generally equipped/motivated for. The good results I’ve had have been from doctors at high performance sports clinics, or with doctors I’ve been referred to by my (awesome) sports physiotherapist.
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