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A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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Re: A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the poorer parts of the United States? Or walked around the Tenderloin? Or seen what meth has done to parts of the rust belt, and the farming communities that have been hollowed out and eviscerated across the midwest? Ever been to a reservation?

you are comparing a marginalized demographic against people who belong to the middle class on Latin America. it's totally out of sense. we also have cracolandia and favelas and people dying of diarrhoea and dying of hunger in some regions. please, don't visit a country with probably tourist type of visit and sum up a whole continent on socioeconomics or whatever category your empirical sociologic observation was edit…

Ok, if you're actually from Latin America, I should apologize - I don't mean to say that those kinds of issues don't exist (and actually, I have seen some - Honduras) - I often assume I'm talking to someone from the states, and Americans have gotten insular and really out of touch, and most have no idea how much things have changed over the past 50 years.

That said, I'd rather live in middle lower class Latin America that Estados Unidos any day. The food is probably going to be better - too many places in the States Walmart is the only practical option now - health care won't bankrupt you, and people in Latin America are almost universally better educated and less depressed on social issues.

And I think a lot of that can be traced to a culture that's a bit less authoritarian, because people understand the history of why that doesn't work. Just going to war with the Mafia or the narcos is a trite answer, but it usually doesn't solve things in the long run.

Edit - also, you really should compare the poorer parts of the big cities you're talking about to Detroit or New Orleans or the Tenderloin. In my experience, people in Latin America can also have a skewed perspective. The world is a big place.

Re: A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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Off topic, but I'm always amazed by Archive.md/.is/whatever. To this day I don't understand how they manage to bypass a lot of paywalls. The mystery about the owner makes it even more intriguing.

thetimes.com has a paywall if you visit it from the UK, and full content if you are in the US.

entonces, US-based archive.org "bypasses" this paywall as well:

https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thetimes.com/culture...

Re: A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sciascia Died in 89, Saviano was 10 years old and wouldn’t start writing until the early 2000s.

It's not about the year of birth, it's about the role. Saviano creates his own career with mafia and now is acting as opinionist to any other option (i.e. now about the constitutional referendum that "will enforce the mafia"). Falcone, Borsellino, Livatino, Don Puglisi (just to mention people that paid with their own life) fight heavily against mafia, but they never converted this fight in a career.

Maybe it’s lost in translation but my argument is semantic.

Saviano may be the type that was warned about but not the one.

Re: A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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Sciascia, btw, is one of the biggest thinkers and writers of '900. It is not really defined by his mafia-related novels and takes. He used to be friend with Borges, and was regarded as one of the top men in humanistic culture. Disclaimer: I was born in a town (Campobello di Licata) near his town (Racalmuto), but I'm not saying this because of this fact. If you never read Sciascia, I suggest you starting from his last…

Truly great Italian literature. Also “The day of the Owl” is another famous Sciascia’s book with old mafia theme.

Re: A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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Off topic, but I'm always amazed by Archive.md/.is/whatever. To this day I don't understand how they manage to bypass a lot of paywalls. The mystery about the owner makes it even more intriguing.

Maybe they have a paid account? I don’t think there’s much magic behind

Publications could use watermarking to encode the name of the account an article is being served to, but they don't seem to. I wonder why.

Re: A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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My mom, who is from Italy, has some great lines about the Mafia:

"Italy will never go bankrupt b/c we have the Pope AND the Mafia"

I once asked her how the Mafia was reined in and she mentioned:

"The Mafia was once trying to kill some judge or politician and they blew up several hundred meters of highway to do it. They also killed a lot of innocent people and the outcry was so big that the Carbinieri(Italian FBI) got involved."

Re: A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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It angers me that Fascist Italy could push the Mafia to the brink of extinction but Democratic Italy can’t.

Mafia exists because legal entities refuse to take responsibilities —- oh it’s too expensive to do X so we will leave it alone or legalize it. So eventually the underground takes over and Mafia becomes quasi governments.

To eradicate you need a stronger central government that is willing to send its probes into the deepest of the society and has a strong hand. Unfortunately this also has unforeseen consequences as well so is not everyone’s cup. Some societies prefer a stronger central government and some don’t.

Re: A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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My mom, who is from Italy, has some great lines about the Mafia: "Italy will never go bankrupt b/c we have the Pope AND the Mafia" I once asked her how the Mafia was reined in and she mentioned: "The Mafia was once trying to kill some judge or politician and they blew up several hundred meters of highway to do it. They also killed a lot of innocent people and the outcry was so big that the Carbinieri(Italian FBI) got…

> the Carbinieri(Italian FBI)

Carabinieri are actually military-status police force in Italy, which is a different setup from the FBI in the US.

Calling them the Italian FBI, is ironically quite funny, because in Italy they’re the butt of a lot of jokes - "carabiniere" is a common stand-in for "someone dumb".

Re: A novelist who took on the Italian mafia and lived

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Sciascia, btw, is one of the biggest thinkers and writers of '900. It is not really defined by his mafia-related novels and takes. He used to be friend with Borges, and was regarded as one of the top men in humanistic culture. Disclaimer: I was born in a town (Campobello di Licata) near his town (Racalmuto), but I'm not saying this because of this fact. If you never read Sciascia, I suggest you starting from his last…

Nit: I suppose you mean 1900s, not just "'900". I mean, one could reasonably suspect that good writers existed in Italy in early 10th century, too.
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