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iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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Re: iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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> I always say a Pixel Given the emergency call issue that has plagued the series for years and are seemingly still unresolved I would think twice about this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37714579

I feel like most devices have bugs affecting a tiny subset of users and that it’s not usually a reason to choose or not choose a particular device. From what I can tell following links on your article, this issue hasn’t been reported on after the Pixel 7, so someone buying a Pixel 10 today probably has no reason to have that as a purchase consideration.

I only posted an older hacker news link to show even people in this community have been affected. There are plenty of recent examples.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/this-wild-bug-is-still-plagu...

> I had this problem when trying to call 999 (the UK equivalent of 911) about a year ago.

> Fortunately I managed to free myself from the situation I was in by breaking (crushing) my finger.

Ouch!

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/1oeiqop/pixel_...

Re: iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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Anyone using the original iPhone SE or the second SE? I wonder how those are fairing on their final update(s).

I'm still on the 2nd generation. Apparently working as a normal iPhone, and Apple even sends notification for me to update to iOS26.

Re: iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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> They are also excellent phones. I'm glad you had a good experience with it, but I had the Pixel 7 Pro and it was the single worst phone I have ever used. Utterly dogshit, to a point where I swore a blood oath to never purchase another Pixel ever again. I've heard that the later Pixels are better but I guess I'll never know. It's possible that I had a defective unit, but regardless of the reason it was a laggy mess,…

Same here with a Pixel 10 Pro. Having seen issues that others have been struggling with, I’m shocked at the poor quality controls. It’s not only hardware, the software breaks every now and then. Looks like every patch introduces some bugs or bricks some Pixels. According to Gemini, it’s all known and has been discussed for a long time. I checked Pixel bug reports, some of them closed with wont-implement states, while…

I think desktop Linux is “there” more than Windows is “there” right now, considering that at least shutting down Linux actually works.

Re: iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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tokyobreakfast is right that this is just a certificate fix, not a real software update. But it's still notable. Lots of old devices become paperweights because of expired certs or backend shutdowns. The fact that Apple even bothered to push this to a 13-year-old device is unusual. Most companies wouldn't.

Now, let's see if Apple can fix the A5/A6 activation bug.

Re: iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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I feel like most devices have bugs affecting a tiny subset of users and that it’s not usually a reason to choose or not choose a particular device. From what I can tell following links on your article, this issue hasn’t been reported on after the Pixel 7, so someone buying a Pixel 10 today probably has no reason to have that as a purchase consideration.

I only posted an older hacker news link to show even people in this community have been affected. There are plenty of recent examples. https://www.phonearena.com/news/this-wild-bug-is-still-plagu... > I had this problem when trying to call 999 (the UK equivalent of 911) about a year ago. > Fortunately I managed to free myself from the situation I was in by breaking (crushing) my finger. Ouch! https://www.reddit.com/r…

And you can do a search for Samsung and get a similar story: https://www.phonearena.com/news/galaxy-s24-failed-to-connect...

Like I said, not to excuse them, but these issues tend to affect an incredibly small amount of people. If you have a double digit number of users on Reddit complaining for a phone that represents 7% of all US smartphone sales, that’s not a widespread bug as a percentage of userbase.

Google currently sells more than half of the smartphone volume of Samsung in the US.

Re: iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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Same here with a Pixel 10 Pro. Having seen issues that others have been struggling with, I’m shocked at the poor quality controls. It’s not only hardware, the software breaks every now and then. Looks like every patch introduces some bugs or bricks some Pixels. According to Gemini, it’s all known and has been discussed for a long time. I checked Pixel bug reports, some of them closed with wont-implement states, while…

I think desktop Linux is “there” more than Windows is “there” right now, considering that at least shutting down Linux actually works.

Depends on your Linux distribution. Hibernation had also been a long standing issue last I checked, especially on laptops.

Re: iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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I only posted an older hacker news link to show even people in this community have been affected. There are plenty of recent examples. https://www.phonearena.com/news/this-wild-bug-is-still-plagu... > I had this problem when trying to call 999 (the UK equivalent of 911) about a year ago. > Fortunately I managed to free myself from the situation I was in by breaking (crushing) my finger. Ouch! https://www.reddit.com/r…

And you can do a search for Samsung and get a similar story: https://www.phonearena.com/news/galaxy-s24-failed-to-connect... Like I said, not to excuse them, but these issues tend to affect an incredibly small amount of people. If you have a double digit number of users on Reddit complaining for a phone that represents 7% of all US smartphone sales, that’s not a widespread bug as a percentage of userbase. Google curr…

I don’t know why you want to downplay this issue. Google should be held accountable for this. It affects multiple users over multiple models and has caused real world harm.

Imagine it was Apple. Now apply the same outrage.

Re: iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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I think desktop Linux is “there” more than Windows is “there” right now, considering that at least shutting down Linux actually works.

Depends on your Linux distribution. Hibernation had also been a long standing issue last I checked, especially on laptops.

Sure, it just annoys me that people seem to have amnesia with all the bullshit associated with desktop Windows, I guess because they’re used to it.

The recent updates breaking Notepad and Calculator and Outlook and the Shutdown feature are rare in that they have gotten press, but there are hundreds of other bits of bullshit associated with Windows, like the fact that Windows Update just routinely breaks your computer and the Windows recovery and repair tools do not work, and as far as I can tell they have never worked for anyone.

Linux has its share of bullshit, but at least the backup and recovery tools actually work.

I haven’t had an issue with hibernate in a few years on the more normy-friendly distros like Mint or Ubuntu or Suse, but I acknowledge that some people still do. I still don’t accept that it’s less ready that desktop Windows.

Re: iPhone 5s Gets New Software Update 13 Years After Launch

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What versions can't access the App Store anymore? I've tried Catalina recently, and that still worked fine, but it only stopped getting security updates in 2022, so it's only been a few years. Also, I've barely ever used the OSX/MacOS app store anyway, and from what little I've heard from other people, it's not really all that great nor popular a place to get your software from.

10.12 appears to have issues

Yeah, I just had to re-pave an M1 MBP with Monterey. That was an adventure. Got the installer. Ran through part one, "This is no longer supported, click here to run in reduced security mode, or cancel the install?" Reduced security mode. "The installation of reduced security mode failed." Cool.

My journey to figure it out found me a Monterey IPSW image. Try to install it via DFU and a second Mac. "Nah, you can't do that, I won't even let you try."

ChatGPT hinted that I needed to do it from a similar vintage OS. "Even an Intel Mac running Ventura could work for this." As luck would have it, my partner still had her old MBP Core i5 running Ventura!

Alright, install Apple Configurator on the Ventura Mac.

"Nah. You need a Mac running 15.7 to install Apple Configurator."

Chicken and egg.

I mean, this OS (Monterey) only came out FOUR YEARS AGO. Ventura was three.

I got lucky with a Reddit post where someone asked for and got a zip file of an old version of Configurator.

I was then able to DFU re-image the M1 Mac with Monterey.

(Why do I need Monterey on it? Because someone else abandoned their software.)

So this Kafkaesque process to even get a four year old OS on a four year old Mac laptop means we shouldn't just be slobberingly praising Apple.

(I realize you, personally, weren't. Just when you said 10.12, I got flashbacks.)

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