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House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by causalscience »

epiccoleman wrote: post #51
causalscience wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> With their "don't put the cat inside the microwave" stickers not sure what this means, my microwave does not have such a sticker > "coffee is too hot" lawsuits I'd encourage you to look into the case you refer to[1] and decide for yourself whether the lawsuit feels frivolous given the facts. My read is that the lawsuit was justified. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restau...

If caring that people might burn themselves with hot water is nanny state, then caring that people might burn themselves with macdonalds coffee is also nanny state.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by causalscience »

boznz wrote: post #55
causalscience wrote: post #42

I'm in the UK and I've been involved in advocating for this. I find it utterly frustrating to read the "think of the children" mockery here on HN. I argue that this is good. There's many reasons why children having unfettered access to the internet and different campaigners care about different aspects, so I'm going to talk about the one I care about: addiction, destroyed ability to focus, and dopamine desensitizatio…

The title of the site "Hacker News" should be a dead giveaway why this law is mocked here

Well, we've tried your thing of letting these companies call the shots. Now we'll try my thing for a bit :-)

What's more hacker than experimenting to get the results you want?

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by causalscience »

javascriptfan69 wrote: post #64

We will try everything except regulating the algorithmic content feeds themselves.

Yo, I'm all for banning all of these companies from my country. That would be ideal.

But then you'll have HN: NOOOO it's not effective, people will just use VPNs nanny state! Oppression! Freedom of speech!

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by pibaker »

Every HN thread on social media or porn inevitably gets overrun with "but think of the children" comments calling for banning kids from social media, or the internet, or from having a phone at all.

And then every time a country actually tries to ban children from the internet, they cry "but my privacy!!!" As if having to hand your id to the state to use the internet isn't exactly what you asked for. As if the regimes most interested in "protecting the kid" aren't exactly the ones who puts you in jail for a meme too spicy.

You reap what you sow. Congrats on making the internet worse.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by c0m47053 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #41
zrn900 wrote: post #17

After enforcing age verification to prevent children from viewing those pesky Gaza genocide videos that Israel did not want them to see, they gotta ensure that those brats wont be able to get around it and still see the videos. Its amazing how this censorship was brought on rapidly and precisely after Netanyahu demanded it at the start of last year. No surprise as half of Starmer government was funded by zionists.

Not sure what you're going on about. I don't think children should be watching any genocide videos. Is that something you watched a lot of as a child?

The thing is, it's not really children who lose access to this sort of content, it's the user who doesn't want to give Reddit or Twitter or whoever else a copy of their driving licence. Without age verification, they don't see the truth of something like Gaza, because it's ages restricted. They can however view the other, sanitised version of the story.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by pibaker »

javascriptfan69 wrote: post #64

We will try everything except regulating the algorithmic content feeds themselves.

If algorithmic feed is so bad then why are you on hacker news, a website with an algorithmic feed that is notoriously non-transparent and often accused of being manipulated by bad actors?

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by anonym29 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #46
gruez wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If this becomes law, then yes. Or they just operate outside of UK jurisdiction, in which case they can politely decline. Any executives/directors of said company might be liable to arrest if they decide to vacation in uk, though.

The UK already has ISP's blocking sites. Anyone that ignores the law will be blocked, will be interesting to see what happens if they end up blocking one of the cloud megascalers.

Hilarious that they think they can prevent motivated people from accessing information using technical measures. China has been working on this for decades. It's a lost battle. Shadowsocks, V2Ray, xray; protocols like vmess, vless, trojan, etc.

The British government, for all their effort (London has a higher geographic density of CCTV than Beijing) is wasting their time competing for the gold medal at International Totalitarianism Olympics, even the the world's current undisputed champion is losing the internet censorship battle, and always has.

Central planning doesn't work and it never has. That includes central planning of what your citizens are allowed to see, hear, think, and feel.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by AlienRobot »

causalscience wrote: post #42

I'm in the UK and I've been involved in advocating for this. I find it utterly frustrating to read the "think of the children" mockery here on HN. I argue that this is good. There's many reasons why children having unfettered access to the internet and different campaigners care about different aspects, so I'm going to talk about the one I care about: addiction, destroyed ability to focus, and dopamine desensitizatio…

When I went to school nobody gave me an ipad. We just wrote on paper, the teacher on chalkboard. That was a long time ago, though.
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