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Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by JakaJancar »

orthoxerox wrote: post #53
altern8 wrote: post #10

Steve Jobs was an extremely unusual CEO. He was hands on, talked to designers, developers, and users, and actually cared about making good products. Tim Cook is more of a regular CEO that wants to make money for the shareholders. He started doing stock buybacks and in general prioritizing making money. macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO--if you can manage to avoid upgrading to Tahoe--but Apple seems to de…

> macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO Linux has low-key become a very valid choice for a desktop OS. You can thank a lot of people for that. Apple and Microsoft for sandbagging. NixOS for pioneering the immutable Linux concept. Valve for heavily investing into making games run well. GitHub for inventing Electron, the eater of RAM and the great equalizer of UX. Lots and lots of Linux and distro maintainers…

Ah yes, Linux on a laptop: wifi, sleep, graphics - pick any two

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

#62

Post by SoKamil »

voidUpdate wrote: post #4

> "My iPhone 14 Pro has 35Gb of "system data" which has basically filled up the entire storage I had left" I occasionally use a macbook pro at £WORK for a few apple specific processes, and it currently has 188.67gb of "system data" that I have no idea how to clean up or remove. It's marked separately from the 11.01gb of macOS in the storage settings, and it constantly complains about the disk almost being full. Updat…

Dot folders contribute to the „System Data” section. Maven/Gradle caches can take a lot of space. Take a look at your home folder first and press CMD + SHIFT + . to reveal hidden folders. You might not need 3rd party software.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by OhMeadhbh »

Yeah. I've been using Apple products off and on for 47 years and:

  a. Apple is not the same company it was 40 years ago.  Or 20 years ago.  Or 5 years ago.

  b. Apple quality varies greatly over time.  I'm typing this on an 8 year old Dell XPS laptop.  I've never had an Apple product I bought new last more than about 4 years.  People tell me they've had Apple products last 6-8 years before dying.  Clearly there's a distribution, but the central tendency of the apple curve is lower than the central tendency of Dell or Lenovo.

  c.  Apple is filled with .  Without exception, everyone I've met in the product group is actively trying to figure out how to get you to buy a new iProduct.  And they seem to hire only sociopaths.  Engineering doesn't seem to be overrun with sociopaths.  I think because at the end of the day they have to build things that work for at least a few months after you unbox them.
Apple is absolutely trying to make your experience of an older iProduct craptastic. But... so is everyone else in the industry. It's just that Apple, who once made very decent products, had much higher from which to fall.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

#64

Post by [deleted] »

altern8 wrote: post #29
graemep wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs was a founder of the company. He expected to remain CEO for many years (until his illness). I do not know whether he still have a large stake but its likely he did, and he certainly formed his approach when he did. That motivated him to look at the long term as he expected to benefit from increases in the value of the business over the long term. A regular CEO looks more at the short term. The value when t…

Yes, I agree. So, I guess our only hope is to get Woz back..?

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Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by dgan »

JakaJancar wrote: post #61
orthoxerox wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO Linux has low-key become a very valid choice for a desktop OS. You can thank a lot of people for that. Apple and Microsoft for sandbagging. NixOS for pioneering the immutable Linux concept. Valve for heavily investing into making games run well. GitHub for inventing Electron, the eater of RAM and the great equalizer of UX. Lots and lots of Linux and distro maintainers…

Ah yes, Linux on a laptop: wifi, sleep, graphics - pick any two

Hm i have all three

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by silvestrov »

graemep wrote: post #25
altern8 wrote: post #10

Steve Jobs was an extremely unusual CEO. He was hands on, talked to designers, developers, and users, and actually cared about making good products. Tim Cook is more of a regular CEO that wants to make money for the shareholders. He started doing stock buybacks and in general prioritizing making money. macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO--if you can manage to avoid upgrading to Tahoe--but Apple seems to de…

Steve Jobs was a founder of the company. He expected to remain CEO for many years (until his illness). I do not know whether he still have a large stake but its likely he did, and he certainly formed his approach when he did. That motivated him to look at the long term as he expected to benefit from increases in the value of the business over the long term. A regular CEO looks more at the short term. The value when t…

I'd say that it was not so much that he was a founder, but that he was the kind of business person that was happy talking to Steve Wozniak, Bill Atkinson, Andy Hertzfeld, and similar nerds.

He was able to make friends with them instead of treating them like cattle.

I've met so many business people that think talking to nerds is a total let down, a degradation of social status.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

#67

Post by silvestrov »

retired wrote: post #39

Apple needs a new CEO. Someone more visionary than Cook. The software needs more focus on making it "just work" and having significantly less bugs. The line-up needs to be cleaned up as well. Right now you have the MacBook Air 13" and 15" in 3 variants and 4 colours, that makes for a total of 24 models. M4 processors only. The MacBook Pro 14" can be purchased with the M5, M4 Pro, M4 Max in 2 colours for a total of 12…

This reminds me of when Steve Balmer became the CEO of Microsoft.

He sold Windows in so many versions that even a developer like me had no idea of what the difference was between them. I could not figure out from the packaging which version I needed.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by gampleman »

getmoheb wrote: post #50
gampleman wrote: post #5

At this point I’m going to hold out on updating MacOS for a year. If things don’t improve or the direction doesn’t change significantly I’m going to seriously consider paying the switching costs.

I'm in the same position - holding out for a year in the hope that things change direction. I've been in the apple ecosystem for 20 years at this point, because the ecosystem delivered real value for me. But that value has declined sharply - hardware is still good, but software quality has cratered while the drive for services revenue has become so relentless that I've now got one foot out the door.

Hm for me it's been a fairly steady state. The last 5 or so MacOS versions delivered features that got a solid meh from me:

- Big Sur did a redesign which wasn't really needed, but it wasn't that much of a downgrade. Wish they focused on fixing bugs rather.

- Monterey had live text, which has come in handy, otherwise I haven't used any of its headline features (such as shortcuts or universal control).

- Ventura: haven't used any headline features (Stage manager, continuity camera, Freeform)

- Sonoma: still nothing (Desktop widgets?, Game mode)

- Sequoia: Passwords app is cool, but have been using 1Password for a decade by this point, so had little interest in switching. (Everything else: Apple Intelligence was a joke, iPhone mirroring seems too clunky to be practical).

So nothing that exactly made me excited to upgrade, but at least things didn't get drastically worse.

But Tahoe seems like a disaster I don't want to touch. For one, it looks ridiculous. But also there seems to be a number of objectively bad design decisions all over the place. This is Apple - good design is what they got famous for. If they don't maintain an edge in UI design, then it's not the same company anymore as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

#70

Post by OhMeadhbh »

JakaJancar wrote: post #61
orthoxerox wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO Linux has low-key become a very valid choice for a desktop OS. You can thank a lot of people for that. Apple and Microsoft for sandbagging. NixOS for pioneering the immutable Linux concept. Valve for heavily investing into making games run well. GitHub for inventing Electron, the eater of RAM and the great equalizer of UX. Lots and lots of Linux and distro maintainers…

Ah yes, Linux on a laptop: wifi, sleep, graphics - pick any two

Lol. Yes. I would like to say that's not true... and for quite a while my Dell XPS would do all three, but it wasn't a cheap device. I think their driver team isn't supporting my 8 year old XPS anymore as sleeping is... problematic. And power management on linux laptops has always been worse than windows.

But... I will gnaw my left arm off before I go back to Mach or WinNT. (Maybe I'll try using HaikuOS as my daily driver...)

Though... fwiw... I've been running a non-x version of leenucks and then booting into a X and experimental Wayland FreeBSD VM via KVM and it seems to work well. I can halt the machine and save state in about a minute and then turn off the hardware. I come back later and restore. It's not a seamless operation, but I'm happy to live with it. It's also pretty easy to checkpoint the virtual disk before installing the bazillion packages I sometimes have to install to test out various python extensions. So all I have to do is revert to a checkpoint and all that crap is gone. I don't have to worry about remembering which packages I have to manually uninstall.

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