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Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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rootusrootus wrote: post #34
loeg wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post-cancellation EREV Lightning is 99% an EV, for the purposes of air pollution. Agree with everything else.

That's why I said (ish). I agree, it's predominantly an EV. I hope they backpedal on the decision a bit and offer both an EREV and a regular EV at the same time. I'm quite happy with my Lightning and will buy another, but I'm not super interested in the EREV as it just adds expense, complexity, and maintenance requirements without offering me much additional functionality for my use case.

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Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by usui »

shmoe wrote: post #37
ares623 wrote: post #4

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I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

Have you met https://slate.auto ? :) Doesn't even have automatic windows.

Ah yes, the previously-marketed $20,000 Slate which is actually $30,000 now, still comes with nothing, and hasn't hit production yet. If only BYD could come in and destroy the non-smart/budget EV market.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by kalleboo »

xbmcuser wrote: post #24
1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

I was out skating today. Everyone was having a fun time until a diesel truck simply drove down the nearby road. It stunk up and polluted the frozen lake air for a solid few minutes. I hate diesel trucks with a passion and if I live long enough to see it happen, I will celebrate the day they become defunct. Tesla's EV trucks need to deal the same hard kick to diesel trucks that they did to cars.

Ev trucks have already reached 50%+ sales in China this year so diesel truck will be gone soon but unlikely to be Tesla trucks though.

Here in Japan as well delivery companies are all moving to EVs, which is great in the neighborhoods where they idle their trucks in the summer when hopping out to make a delivery. Yamato using Mitsubishi Fuso eCanter trucks[0] and Japan Post adopting Mitsubishi Minicab EVs[1] and Honda EV bikes.

[0] https://www.yamato-hd.co.jp/news/2023/newsrelease_20230912_1...

[1] https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/jp/newsroom/newsrelease/20...

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by MBCook »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #44
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #35

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Not really, they are just newer than the average ICE car. Parent wants an EV from the early 2000s or the 1990s.

Depends. They get a virtually continual supply of standby power that can last for months if left untouched. So from a technology standpoint that enables them to do many things - from being connected to the network, aware of their location on the map, recording camera footage and other remote capabilities. ICE cars do have some of these but the huge battery packs on EVs make these very feasible.

Do they?

I was under the impression most EVs cut off the connection to the high voltage battery almost all the time they’re not in use.

They rely on a 12 V battery or a 48 V battery like a normal car.

The only thing I’m aware of that special is that if that low voltage battery gets low enough the car will detect it and recharge it from the high voltage battery, temporarily connecting it for that purpose.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by adrianN »

MBCook wrote: post #28
princevegeta89 wrote: post #3

No surprises. No matter how we look at it, EVs are much friendlier and safer to the environment. Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again, but in today's world we are rapidly moving away from it and towards nuclear/hydel/wind methods for generating power. I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to co…

The number of ICE cars I get stuck behind from time to time that just REEK is amazing. I’m in a decently well off area too. Some putting off soot clouds, white smoke, nothing visible but clearly not doing complete combustion. Sometimes I wonder if half the cylinders are even working. I’ve heard one car like that is the equivalent of a surprisingly large number of modern ICE cars is in good shape. I love EVs. I’ve had…

Even modern cars pollute a lot (especially in winter) because you need a certain temperature for the cats to start working. On short city trips it happens frequently that you never reach proper operating temperatures.

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Post by SoftTalker »

presentation wrote: post #14
apatheticonion wrote: post #11

Having spent a significant amount of time in Bangkok - the city center (and many urban hubs) is an amazing walkable place with pedestrian walkways suspended above major roads, lots of frequent public transit (metro, skytrain) that honestly makes my home city of Sydney feel like a developing country. The only downside is that traffic creates a lot of pollution, and the engine noise (not honking, there's very little of…

To me, Bangkok feels very much like a developing country. If you go to Chinese cities, the EV adoption has incredible positive effects to the vibe, though. Shanghai’s French concession is so quiet and peaceful now that most cars are EVs.

Those cities used to be filled with smokey two-stroke motorbikes and mopeds. One of those is worse than a dozen of normal cars, to say nothing of EVs.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by MBCook »

pinnochio wrote: post #52
MBCook wrote: post #30

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That hasn’t worked for TVs. Or phones. Or plenty of other things.

Not sure what your point is when we're talking about cars, where fixed physical controls are demonstrably more usable and safer for drivers that need to keep their eyes on the road. Multiple manufacturers have pulled back from excessive touch controls (not just touchscreens, but capacitive buttons and sliders) and reinstated more traditional buttons and dials.

Physical controls and smart cars are not mutually exclusive. That’s why they’ve been fixing that.

I agree that was an idiotic trend.

But if someone wants a car without connectivity, it’s too late. The market is not strong enough to get rid of that. Most people either like it or don’t care enough to avoid it.

Just like most people liked or didn’t care enough to avoid smart TVs.

So that’s all you can buy.

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Post by kemiller »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #3

No surprises. No matter how we look at it, EVs are much friendlier and safer to the environment. Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again, but in today's world we are rapidly moving away from it and towards nuclear/hydel/wind methods for generating power. I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to co…

Even if you power a typical EV from 100% coal, it pencils out as about equivalent to a late model Prius. And any improvements in the energy mix take it further.

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Post by pinnochio »

MBCook wrote: post #68
pinnochio wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what your point is when we're talking about cars, where fixed physical controls are demonstrably more usable and safer for drivers that need to keep their eyes on the road. Multiple manufacturers have pulled back from excessive touch controls (not just touchscreens, but capacitive buttons and sliders) and reinstated more traditional buttons and dials.

Physical controls and smart cars are not mutually exclusive. That’s why they’ve been fixing that. I agree that was an idiotic trend. But if someone wants a car without connectivity, it’s too late. The market is not strong enough to get rid of that. Most people either like it or don’t care enough to avoid it. Just like most people liked or didn’t care enough to avoid smart TVs. So that’s all you can buy.

Oh, true. I got sidetracked by alephnerd's argument about touchscreens.
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