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Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

shimman wrote: post #44
Refreeze5224 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the solution? You imply that it is just to quit using it, but then you mention how super-addictive social media and especially TikTok is. Which it is, by design, by very smart people who very intentionally exploit every aspect of human psychology they can, for profit. I don't blame the victims of social media, I blame the architects of it. To me it's clear that social media does more harm than good, and is on…

The solution is simple, go interact with actual humans and make an actual bond. Hanging out with good friends feels way better than any social media I've ever used and I've been online shitposting since 1995.

Just this morning I tagged along to an activity a friend of mine has been doing a few weeks, and had some nice conversations with people I've never met before.

Humanity, in person, in the context of common interests, is fulfilling for the soul.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by anigbrowl »

fuzzer371 wrote: post #56
idle_zealot wrote: post #45

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> the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product "Everyone should simultaneously quit doing the harmful thing" is a "solution" to our present surveillance advertising problem in the way that advice to save money is a solution to poverty or "have you tried farming?" is a solution to world hunger. I.e. not a solution for humans, but a description of a beeline to the desired st…

Really? Telling people to quit using a stupid app isn't "A solution for humans"? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Could you be any more patronizing? Maybe there's a few people you haven't alienated yet.

I don't like or use Tiktok, but clearly it provides some value to the people who do. Telling people to stop using it without even attempting to address what benefit (perceived or actual) it provides is self-defeating advice.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by lostlogin »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #14
kakflelajf74 wrote: post #7

Tiktok became a bigger national security risk after being sold than it was before.

All Americans are probably better off using Chinese apps that the Chinese government uses to snoop on them and Chinese are better off using American apps that the American govt uses to snoop on them than the opposite. The impact the Chinese government can have on an individual American is minor compared to the US govt and the same goes for the American and Chinese govts on the average Chinese person.

> The impact the Chinese government can have on an individual American is minor compared to the US govt

ICE are fighting hard to change this.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by IncreasePosts »

pluralmonad wrote: post #50
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #23

the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product. It's sort've cliche at this point but we got the worst of both Orwell and Huxley in that our super-invasive surveillance apparatus is also a super-addictive apparatus designed to hit all our evolutionary buttons like a slot machine.

It is deeply sad to me that "stop doing the thing that's hurting you" is met with such animosity. It's like heroin addicts telling us with a straight face that they refuse to stop.

Maybe because it isn't particularly insightful or helpful. If you told a heroin addict this, would you expect them to be like "Oh MAN why didn't I think of that?"

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by Forgeties79 »

pluralmonad wrote: post #50
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #23

the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product. It's sort've cliche at this point but we got the worst of both Orwell and Huxley in that our super-invasive surveillance apparatus is also a super-addictive apparatus designed to hit all our evolutionary buttons like a slot machine.

It is deeply sad to me that "stop doing the thing that's hurting you" is met with such animosity. It's like heroin addicts telling us with a straight face that they refuse to stop.

>It's like heroin addicts telling us with a straight face that they refuse to stop.

That’s how addiction works

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Post by expedition32 »

hwillis wrote: post #36
nikkwong wrote: post #25

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...Highly disagree. China can (and has) manipulate the hearts and minds of the American public—skewing their biases in a way that creates internal chaos and dissent, disrupting institutional order, and sewing distrust of thy neighbor. They've been doing this for at least a decade now, and have played a silent hand in reshaping American politics. If (when) a conflict arises, trust that they will use this tool to manip…

> skewing their biases in a way that creates internal chaos and dissent, disrupting institutional order, and sewing distrust of thy neighbor. I don't really have respect for this idea; we do this to ourselves far more effectively than people who frankly have a pretty hamfisted cultural understanding- just as we have of china or russia. IMO influence over real concrete choices is much more alarming. Someone with house…

This is the difficulty with propaganda- you have to tailor it to a foreign audience but then the message is changed.

America has been trying to spread it's way of life for a hundred years. People liked the fridges and cars but never cared much for the Christianity and croony capitalism.

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Post by pluralmonad »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #64
pluralmonad wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is deeply sad to me that "stop doing the thing that's hurting you" is met with such animosity. It's like heroin addicts telling us with a straight face that they refuse to stop.

Maybe because it isn't particularly insightful or helpful. If you told a heroin addict this, would you expect them to be like "Oh MAN why didn't I think of that?"

But that has nothing to do with the reality that the best response is to stop doing heroin. Someone refusing to help themselves does not change that.

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Post by bdangubic »

pluralmonad wrote: post #50
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #23

the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product. It's sort've cliche at this point but we got the worst of both Orwell and Huxley in that our super-invasive surveillance apparatus is also a super-addictive apparatus designed to hit all our evolutionary buttons like a slot machine.

It is deeply sad to me that "stop doing the thing that's hurting you" is met with such animosity. It's like heroin addicts telling us with a straight face that they refuse to stop.

not sure how old you are but have you ever try to say this to another human being? :)

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by nebula8804 »

nikkwong wrote: post #25
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All Americans are probably better off using Chinese apps that the Chinese government uses to snoop on them and Chinese are better off using American apps that the American govt uses to snoop on them than the opposite. The impact the Chinese government can have on an individual American is minor compared to the US govt and the same goes for the American and Chinese govts on the average Chinese person.

...Highly disagree. China can (and has) manipulate the hearts and minds of the American public—skewing their biases in a way that creates internal chaos and dissent, disrupting institutional order, and sewing distrust of thy neighbor. They've been doing this for at least a decade now, and have played a silent hand in reshaping American politics. If (when) a conflict arises, trust that they will use this tool to manip…

Outside competition allows progress because we have been shown time and time again that the US will just not solve its problems without outside pressure. I'd also argue that any other country in its position would act the same. For example when the USSR was actively competing with the US, they could easily lob a major criticism of the US in capturing 'hearts and minds' of other nations: "Look at how they treat their minorities. Do you really want to work with those people?"

Yes there were very active causes and groups in the US to correct this issue, but that outside pressure forced leadership to be nudged towards corrective action and I wonder if the USSR hadn't been there would we have gotten Civil Rights legislation passed when we did?

Maybe the same will happen with China showing the US how fast they can get stuff done and what they provide as benefits to their citizens vs a declining US. Already TikTok has helped Gen-Z realize how Israel gets so many benefits (universal healthcare, college tuition, benefits for birthing kids etc.) while the US is in massive debt and continues to send money to Israel. That continued propaganda may lead to an eventual backlash and subsequent reform.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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Post by nebula8804 »

guelo wrote: post #54
blell wrote: post #20

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Depends if you see more of a threat coming from China or Israel.

100% Israel. China couldn't save tiktok but when tiktokers started criticizing Israel's actions in Gaza Israel got tiktok transferred to a zionist lighting quick with support from both American political parties and no 1st amendment concerns.

Its been a while now and I've wondered if anyone has recorded any hard data in how the acquisitions has shifted the platform. I just hope that someone is collecting hard records so we can see the damage after everything has played out over time.

As far as I can tell at least among the American left, criticism of israel has become so commonplace and part of the culture that its become a "memeable" event at this point.

I wonder how the Israel lobby will manage to turn that ship around at this point?

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