Does it support MacOS as well? I didn't spot any explicit statement about that but I guess SwiftUI should support that automatically.
Yes, SwiftUI supports macOS automatically.
Skip is now free and open source
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Re: Skip is now free and open source
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flutter still doesn't support liquid glass on iOS so it doesn't seem like a serious contender to me at this point. And due to the nature of how Flutter is implemented, it's going to continuously be an uphill battle. Maybe it's fine if you intend on having a completely custom UI and don't care about platform look and feel.
> Flutter still doesn't support liquid glass on iOS Literally every iOS developer under the sun will tell me that this is a good thing.
Why? I'm an iOS developer and, while I don't love everything about liquid glass, that is the current design language of iOS.
I certainly don't think having my app sticking out like a sore thumb, using a design language from old outdated iOS versions is "a good thing"
Re: Skip is now free and open source
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
LGPL3 has now been added: https://github.com/skiptools/skip/commit/7ad94680a801ca393fe...
Huh, what does one have to do to comply with the LGPL on iOS anyways? I'm sort of surprised that only the largest plan ($5000/month) and not the ($10/$500/$2,500/month plans) includes a license that doesn't involve figuring that nonsense out.
Which non sense? The lesser GPL doesn’t mean you have to license your firstborn under the GPL license.
I think it’s fair to milk enterprise companies that can’t read a FSF license. Otherwise the LGPL is fine.
Re: Skip is now free and open source
#64"At least 32GB of memory is recommended for development with Skip." Dear lord, what?
At current prices, if you do not already have 32GB RAM, it will cost over $300 for DDR5, and over $200 for DDR4...
Re: Skip is now free and open source
#65This is a welcome addition but why should Flutter devs use this ? Seems like it requires 32gb of ram! Also Flutter is already very mature and can produce not only near-native mobile apps (the difference is almost negligible) but can target desktop and even web applications. I do wonder how much of a boost skip offers vs Flutter's mobile apps. Will give skip a try when dram prices normalize.
Flutter is fine if you don't care about performance, accessibility, have no need to access native capabilities or non-fluttered widgets (ex: the Google map integration is awful) and overall just want to make an internal app. The cost of making an excellent flutter app is about the same you'd pay making fully native apps. Except that you're always paying for Skia's costs with Flutter. This recommends 32GB to run _ever…
That sounds like the worst parts of native dev + PWAs combined
Re: Skip is now free and open source
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t open source my iOS apps that provide my living because there are many examples already of others using this to release identical apps without credit or sharing their work back (even with AGPL), which would remove my source of income that enables me to work on it in the first place. I haven’t found a way to make a living off open source yet for the type of products I produce. I’m not independently wealthy to b…
This is indeed a dilemma, but note that copyleft licenses like GPL or MPL do give you considerably more protection than a pushover license like MIT/BSD. I wrote about this last year at https://appfair.org/blog/gpl-and-the-app-stores .
It gives near zero practical protection as the devs that clone in the App Store do not respect licenses and Apple is slow to act (sometimes shutting your own dev account instead of the copycat’s, another high risk).
Enabling copycats also encourages them to target my apps for fake negative review spam and bot activity that gets my dev account (and personal iCloud) flagged and banned without recourse.
I also have no funds to sue someone. And the copycats are often anonymous and overseas in random countries, adding to the challenge of doing anything about it besides begging Apple to help without accidentally hurting me instead.
Re: Skip is now free and open source
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks! It has been a long time coming. As we mentioned in the post, developer tools really need to be freely obtainable in order to gain mass adoption. In that sense, it was an easy strategic decision. And we felt that the time was right, given that Skip's benefits are being thrust to the foreground in light of recent developments.
You should really consider why free software exists. Open source is open source, sure, but it is a disservice to your users to ever release proprietary software for any reason. I personally would not start or run a business that didn’t release all software it builds under free software licenses. We don’t open source it because “developers expect it”, we open source it because it’s the right thing to do by your users.…
Yeah but if that was the only reason to do open source that was encouraged then there’d almost certainly be a lot less open source software overall (and lower quality). Personally I’d prefer OSS win overall even if it costs some ideological purity.
Re: Skip is now free and open source
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t open source my iOS apps that provide my living because there are many examples already of others using this to release identical apps without credit or sharing their work back (even with AGPL), which would remove my source of income that enables me to work on it in the first place. I haven’t found a way to make a living off open source yet for the type of products I produce. I’m not independently wealthy to b…
Shame that the world has to be like this in the first place : Perhaps I am way too altruist at times & the world is capitalist without any discrimination, stealing anyone's work and reselling it feels so scummy and I have heard it happen actually so you are not actually completely in the wrong and its your code and your lifestyle and so I respect it. (Even if I am an open source advocate, I will admit making money fr…
See my thoughts under sibling comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46712351
Re: Skip is now free and open source
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Huh, what does one have to do to comply with the LGPL on iOS anyways? I'm sort of surprised that only the largest plan ($5000/month) and not the ($10/$500/$2,500/month plans) includes a license that doesn't involve figuring that nonsense out.
Which non sense? The lesser GPL doesn’t mean you have to license your firstborn under the GPL license. I think it’s fair to milk enterprise companies that can’t read a FSF license. Otherwise the LGPL is fine.
As I understand the LGPL - not a lawyer - you have to somehow enable all your users to relink your application against a different version of Skip (4.d.0 since 4.d.1 isn't possible on iOS). This means that your application must do something like include a copy of all the files that went into linking the application and convey that to the users along with your application, with scripts to build the application against a different version of Skip...
I can't imagine the app store would be particularly amused with this during app review... though I've never tried.
Re: Skip is now free and open source
#70> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge.
This is an accurate, but damning indictment of how some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools. Unlike nearly every other profession.
Folks, if you can afford it, please pay for quality software, instead of relying on FAANG and VC money to keep the tools going!