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UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Post by delis-thumbs-7e »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #23

Zero science, zero research, just politicians restricting citizens rights.

> "The studies show that Meta has obtained extensive evidence, from many different kinds of research, that its products facilitate and enable vast direct harms to young people (e.g., cyberbullying, unwanted sexual contact) and that its products are likely harming users’ mental health, particularly for adolescent girls, particularly via harmful social comparisons, promotion of eating disorders, body-image problems, and increased depression."

https://metasinternalresearch.org/#block-2e15def2e67a80c0928...

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Post by 0x3f »

pandemic_region wrote: post #33
mystcb wrote: post #5

Probably going to illicit some bad responses, but hopefully here, people might see what I am trying to say. While I am annoyed a "ban" has to come into play for social media, it seems to be the only thing we can do in the short term, but as a person in the IT industry, I do wonder if we are missing doing an RCA on the issue. Even as an adult with a child, I can't see us ever letting our kid actually use social media…

Social media are detrimental for a young human being under development. A child's brain works in no way the same as our adult brains, so we cannot apply the same caring logic as you would with adults. I see this in the same category as cigarettes, drugs and alcohol. Until you are old enough and we can assume (or hope) there is mental capacity to properly contextualize life choices and being able take a stance for / a…

Please cite reliable studies rather than just-so stories.

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Post by 0x3f »

dispo wrote: post #59
iso1631 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't, they're choosing bouncing boobs. The only sites left to them are the ones that were already illegal. Or a VPN service, which means the UK has no voice in the mainstream sites. You turn people off the professional sites which can be held accountable and they end up on the dark side of the internet. America saw the same thing when the puritans banned alcohol last century, people ran right into the arms of…

Like I said, these men could choose to not consume pornography at all. The responsibility for what they decide to access online lies with them. No-one is forcing them to buy a VPN and visit pornography websites.

Well no-one is forcing me to wear pink on Sundays. This mere fact is not exactly an argument for banning the practice, is it?

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Post by 0x3f »

blitzar wrote: post #63
0x3f wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes? At least, I've never force-fed a toddler.

You feed toddlers long enough, something like this happens.

Please don't gavage children. That's (presumably) more psychologically damaging than social media.

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Post by 0x3f »

blitzar wrote: post #4
0x3f wrote: post #3

Porn block ineffective at capturing enough personal data. UK considers how it can build its own great firewall.

The UK has had a great firewall for decades - try going to a kiddie porn site or a torrent site and you will be unable to connect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...

Very unimpressive compared to China. Typical, the UK lagging behind on tech.

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Post by blitzar »

0x3f wrote: post #65
blitzar wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You feed toddlers long enough, something like this happens.

Please don't gavage children. That's (presumably) more psychologically damaging than social media.

You cant just eat the chips and leave the fish.

No ice cream till you eat some more of your greens.

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Post by athrowaway3z »

This is sure to be a very constructive thread, but let me sum up the dissonance and solution I think will work.

IT people are rightly afraid this will be used to create Draconian requirements. Parents are rightly afraid social media is having extreme negative effects on children (and society).

Banning social media for 16 is the right way to go, and enforcement should be put on the parents / schools. Not the tech platforms beyond a cursory glance.

The goal should be to get >80% of kids off social media + a campaign to clarify the other 20% is a bunch of addicted losers getting played by an algorithm.

That's it. By making it the law you make it the norm. Dutch School policies banning phones have been overwhelmingly successful when you ask children and parents. They like having lunch breaks again where nobody is on their phone.

Delusions about perfect 100% coverage by some technical solution that boils down to mass surveillance / authorized users is just idiots saying idiot things.

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Post by blitzar »

lowdownbutter wrote: post #49
blitzar wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think social media is a net positive for over 16s either

And I don't think social media is a net positive for 16 year olds.

I promise I remember to include a greater than or equals to in my code ... most of the time.

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Post by adrians1 »

Given that, according to the ban proponents own words, social media algorithms are addictive as hell and impossible to resist, what do they think it will happen to those children after 16?

Do you really believe that they will magically be "immune"? Even adults are addicted to social media, and it didn't even exist back when they were teens.

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