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Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by creshal »

janmalec wrote: post #15
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #7

While this is cool, it all goes out the window the minute you run any app

Exactly. The issue today is that even if you optimize your OS and DE to be very memory efficient, it matters very little as soon as you open a modern web browser. And without a modern web browser a big part of the online experience is broken.

Eh, kinda. Work forces me to have Jira, Confluence, Gitlab, Copilot, the other Copilot formerly known as Outlook, the other other Copilot formerly known as Teams, as well as Slack of course, and a dozen other webslop apps open… and it still all fits in Which is a lot worse than the <1GB you'd get with well-optimized native tools, but try running Win11 with "only" 8GB RAM.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by zozbot234 »

creshal wrote: post #60
flohofwoe wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is it the UI animations, color themes, shades etc etc or is it the underlying operating system that has more and more features, services etc etc ? ...all of those and more? New software is only optimized until it is not outright annoying to use on current hardware, it's always been like that and that's why there are old jokes like: "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away." "Software is like a gas, it expands to consume…

Indeed. Much of a modern Linux desktop e.g. runs inside one of multiple not very well optimized JS engines: Gnome uses JS for various desktop interactions, and all major desktops run a different JS engine as a different user to evaluate polkit authorizations (so exactly zero RAM could be shared between those engines, even if they were identical, which they aren't), and then half your interactions with GUI tools happe…

COSMIC is gaining ground as a JS-free alternative to current desktops, so hopefully you won't be limited to openbox and such.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by zozbot234 »

eth0up wrote: post #5
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #2

If someone wants really low ram consumption for a desktop. They should try out tinycorelinux which I have ran the whole system in It's truly the most minimalist gui option just out there. It uses flwm & there own iirc very minimalist xorg server but most apps usually work The one issue I have is that I can't copy paste text or do some simple stuff like moving my mouse on some text but aside from that, Tinycorelinux's…

Can your "one issue" be tweaked by adding more RAM and allocating it thusly? I'm using Void with 24gb ddr5 and frequently get system freezes during high productivity. Browser tabs in the background are often contributors, but working with openshot or odb crashes often. I have several old nuc's and I might try tinycore on one. What do you or most others use it for, primarily?

If the system totally freezes such that you can't even ssh in, that's just flaky hardware and you should replace it.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by dgan »

wongogue wrote: post #30
undeveloper wrote: post #21

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seriously, what's with people's love of this guy? besides politics, I have not seen anything that suggests engineering prowess from this guy, only "rust bad".

People like his technical opinion because they like his politics. That’s the whole grift-influencer economy. If someone is good at one thing (and validates some of my views), then obviously he’s right about everything.

Dont present our hypothesis as a hard fact. I actually think it is completely false. Not only I was never interested in his political opinions, and followed him because of his humoristic takes "Linux sucks", and not about Rust or whatever; I actually never encountered a single video before joining his "lunduke journal" where his right-wing views would be visible.

He has made funny videos, it was fun to watch. Its kinda hard to enjoy them now after learning he s dumb as a rock and justifies killings if you are of tje wrong nationality

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by t-3 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #53
actionfromafar wrote: post #50

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Much better to stick to 1 bit per pixel. :-) Like in Sun SPARCStation ELC. No confusing colors or shades.

1bpp (at low resolution) is still relevant today on epaper screens, though some of them now allow for shades of grey or even color.

Most aren't all that low res either... 300dpi is standard.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by heavyset_go »

Mashimo wrote: post #31
heraldgeezer wrote: post #19

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For us not in the know, why is this bad? Is he ""bigoted"" ? :(

I have no idea who he is, never heard of him. You shall not judge a book by its cover but .. he is making it hard. His video titles are: * Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork (Without Systemd) * NeoFetch But in Rust and More Gay * Chimera Linux is "Here to Further Woke Agenda by Turning Free Software Gay" * Are Jews the Cause of DEI in Big Tech? Yeah .. I did not watch a single video of his. But just from a short…

Now I want to make a Woke Linux to drive this guy insane, the CoC alone will make his face melt

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by creshal »

zozbot234 wrote: post #62
creshal wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Much of a modern Linux desktop e.g. runs inside one of multiple not very well optimized JS engines: Gnome uses JS for various desktop interactions, and all major desktops run a different JS engine as a different user to evaluate polkit authorizations (so exactly zero RAM could be shared between those engines, even if they were identical, which they aren't), and then half your interactions with GUI tools happe…

COSMIC is gaining ground as a JS-free alternative to current desktops, so hopefully you won't be limited to openbox and such.

Openbox isn't limiting me, Wayland still has no advantages for what I do with desktops.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by t-3 »

roywashere wrote: post #29
giamma wrote: post #12

It used to be like that, computer had limited resources and desktop environments were light. Then at some point RAM became less and less of an issue, and everything started to get bigger and less efficient. Coyuld anyone summarize why a desktop Windows/MacOs now needs so much more RAM than in the past? is it the UI animations, color themes, shades etc etc or is it the underlying operating system that has more and mor…

I am wondering if, with memory and storage prices skyrocketing, there will be more effort on making computing use less resources?

Unlikely. If you can't afford RAM, how can you afford the SaaS contracts that keep devs employed?
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