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Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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It's AWS. Would it not still be subject to the CLOUD act? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act Seems like a lot of work to still have data that can be exfiltrated by the US.

AWS is subject to CLOUD the same way European providers like OVH, Hetzner, or Stack it are. All of these companies operate in the US.

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Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

#62

It's AWS. Would it not still be subject to the CLOUD act? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act Seems like a lot of work to still have data that can be exfiltrated by the US.

AWS is subject to CLOUD the same way European providers like OVH, Hetzner, or Stack it are. All of these companies operate in the US.

Humm no. OVH is French, OVH US is not, both are two different subsidiaries. In fact, you cannot order OVH US infrastructures with a European OVH account, you need to create a US account.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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The real question is whether AWS European Sovereign Cloud IAM data is still hosted in us-east-1 with zero HA. Because this is exactly the case right now if you start any workloads in the Dublin region, for example.

If the IAM in us-east-1 goes down, every non-public object or workload that needs any kind of AWS authentication will fail immediately. That is: world-readable S3 buckets are fine, but your RDS database is most likely inaccessible.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Adding source for this: Transcribed (not translated): https://www.senat.fr/compte-rendu-commissions/20250609/ce_co... Video: https://videos.senat.fr/video.5460497_6847c70b82594 Reports by third parties: https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/25/microsoft_admits_it_c... https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2025/07/22/micro... Edit/note: The main point AWS makes is indeed by whom/where this offering is operated. Bu…

This issue can be resolved on the European side by effectively making the transfer of EU->US data illegal and, if detected, nationalizing the entire EU subsidiary of the US company. Would this trigger a US-EU war? Certainly, but only the blind cannot see that relations are no longer those between two allies.

Not a lawyer but from what I understand the EU law makers are acting in response to US behavior. The US has laws intended to protect US citizens that do not apply to foreigners, a system where money buys access to anything and a lust for hoarding data. Meanwhile in the EU people use US tech for everything, probably for various not very good reasons. It's kinda sad really, it should have just been properly organized. US Tech companies should really have the customers and the EU the services.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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They can provide any data available to Amazon employees in the US. They can't provide what they do not have.

Silly to assume no data crosses the boundary also considering how US is acting like trusting any US company is pretty silly as well. If that orange clown stays in power it won’t belong before we are at war and then you will lose access to everything overnight and all your data is theirs

Yeah, kinda, but the moment it crosses the "war" threshold the pain rapidly escalates to things like "I hope you weren't using the Texas refineries, because half of them are now on fire".

It's not like Europe isn't looking at the effect Ukraine has been having on Russia and going "hmmm, interesting". Obviously I'm still over-simplifying, anything I'm aware of will have been war-gamed do death and back.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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On the list of the things I doubt nowadays, an Amazon or Amazon subsidiary CEO going to jail is way up at the top. They’ll get a national security letter for sure, but no one’s going to jail.

You know that your president is about to put the head of the federal reserve in prison on trumped up charges? The US is not s country with rule of law anymore. It is a country that is rules by power.

That still hasn't made its way through the courts.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

#69
This should be a wake-up call to a lot of SaaS companies.

It's becoming fairly clear that keeping app data purely server-side is no longer viable for customers with data sovereignty requirements.

Having a toggle button saying 'Keep my data in Europe' won't be enough either if local-first apps can actually guarantee data location, and allow users to specify which API endpoints they use.

With network monitoring verifying application behavior, privacy reduces to OS-level security.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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post #62

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AWS is subject to CLOUD the same way European providers like OVH, Hetzner, or Stack it are. All of these companies operate in the US.

Humm no. OVH is French, OVH US is not, both are two different subsidiaries. In fact, you cannot order OVH US infrastructures with a European OVH account, you need to create a US account.

So essentially like AWS' European setup?
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