It's AWS. Would it not still be subject to the CLOUD act? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act Seems like a lot of work to still have data that can be exfiltrated by the US.
AWS is subject to CLOUD the same way European providers like OVH, Hetzner, or Stack it are. All of these companies operate in the US.
Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud
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#62It's AWS. Would it not still be subject to the CLOUD act? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act Seems like a lot of work to still have data that can be exfiltrated by the US.
AWS is subject to CLOUD the same way European providers like OVH, Hetzner, or Stack it are. All of these companies operate in the US.
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#63Jeff says it’s made from the finest vegan cows. “It’s not a trick or a word game, trust me! Oh god I really want those euros.”
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#65If the IAM in us-east-1 goes down, every non-public object or workload that needs any kind of AWS authentication will fail immediately. That is: world-readable S3 buckets are fine, but your RDS database is most likely inaccessible.
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Adding source for this: Transcribed (not translated): https://www.senat.fr/compte-rendu-commissions/20250609/ce_co... Video: https://videos.senat.fr/video.5460497_6847c70b82594 Reports by third parties: https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/25/microsoft_admits_it_c... https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2025/07/22/micro... Edit/note: The main point AWS makes is indeed by whom/where this offering is operated. Bu…
This issue can be resolved on the European side by effectively making the transfer of EU->US data illegal and, if detected, nationalizing the entire EU subsidiary of the US company. Would this trigger a US-EU war? Certainly, but only the blind cannot see that relations are no longer those between two allies.
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They can provide any data available to Amazon employees in the US. They can't provide what they do not have.
Silly to assume no data crosses the boundary also considering how US is acting like trusting any US company is pretty silly as well. If that orange clown stays in power it won’t belong before we are at war and then you will lose access to everything overnight and all your data is theirs
It's not like Europe isn't looking at the effect Ukraine has been having on Russia and going "hmmm, interesting". Obviously I'm still over-simplifying, anything I'm aware of will have been war-gamed do death and back.
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On the list of the things I doubt nowadays, an Amazon or Amazon subsidiary CEO going to jail is way up at the top. They’ll get a national security letter for sure, but no one’s going to jail.
You know that your president is about to put the head of the federal reserve in prison on trumped up charges? The US is not s country with rule of law anymore. It is a country that is rules by power.
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#69It's becoming fairly clear that keeping app data purely server-side is no longer viable for customers with data sovereignty requirements.
Having a toggle button saying 'Keep my data in Europe' won't be enough either if local-first apps can actually guarantee data location, and allow users to specify which API endpoints they use.
With network monitoring verifying application behavior, privacy reduces to OS-level security.
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AWS is subject to CLOUD the same way European providers like OVH, Hetzner, or Stack it are. All of these companies operate in the US.
Humm no. OVH is French, OVH US is not, both are two different subsidiaries. In fact, you cannot order OVH US infrastructures with a European OVH account, you need to create a US account.