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Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by fragmede »

bb88 wrote: post #39
subscribed wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a funny example of making it harder to find: https://youtu.be/W_F4rEaRduk?t=178

Triangulation is damn easy. If the US can put on bomb on a suspect satellite phone user back in the 2000's (and they did!), they can certainly send a bomb on that today. Sat phones during the second gulf war (maybe even the first) became a liability. The transmission lit them up like a god damn beacon saying, "Bomb goes here!".

Triangulation, the math isn't the hard part. Where exactly on the continental United States are you proposing dropping ordinance? MOVE in 1985 was controversial even back then.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by vegabook »

>> "The adversary has a limited ability to persuade users to trust the adversary’s agents - thus the number of social connections between the adversary’s agents and the rest of the network is limited." [1]

This assumption seems risky.

[1] https://briarproject.org/how-it-works/

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by torlok »

ungreased0675 wrote: post #44
torlok wrote: post #9

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Then get more? Sounds like a fantastic way to waste military resources. I have no clue why this mythical US military might and efficiency idea persists after so many failed interventions.

You must have missed the S-tier op that went down January 3rd.

That was a single mission planned over months. We're talking about a continuous subjudagtion.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by 1shooner »

subscribed wrote: post #35
torlok wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then get more? Sounds like a fantastic way to waste military resources. I have no clue why this mythical US military might and efficiency idea persists after so many failed interventions.

Here's a funny example of making it harder to find: https://youtu.be/W_F4rEaRduk?t=178

>the more people who use it, the more robust and far-reaching and reliable it gets.

I was under the opposite impression, that meshtastic's whole problem is that it doesn't scale well at all.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by torlok »

bb88 wrote: post #31
torlok wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then get more? Sounds like a fantastic way to waste military resources. I have no clue why this mythical US military might and efficiency idea persists after so many failed interventions.

No, just blast the hell out of the ISM bands on which they operate. This seem certainly feasible for a military apparatus the size of the US.

I'm sure everybody's going to stay on ISM bands to remain compliant with government regulations while being attacked by the government.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by ozfive »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #59

I have Briar, but never had anyone to use it with. As an emergency text messaging tool, I guess it can be used, but not for any media transfer. The picture quality is abysmal. I also tried using it to sync some notes across devices, looking for a good use case of it all, but there was also some issue there. I believe once you created a "forum" you can no longer delete them. The desktop app is very slow. Sometimes had…

A good use of briar is having it on your phone already so that during a natural disaster you can connect with others that already have it at community relief spots. Keep it just in case and it will come in clutch when you need it most!

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by throw5756733565 »

SoulMan wrote: post #36

What about Jack Dorsey's Bitchat . Could be useful in india (especially Kashmir) where govt shut down internet during protest

"Raliv, Tsaliv ya Galiv" didn't need the internet or fancy mesh networking - rabble-rousing Friday mosque-sessions were sufficient for ethnociding the native population over the course of many centuries.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by syntaxing »

Whoa, I was just mentioning in another post how I have my family member install bitchat just in case for emergencies. This is a very interesting alternative. With a travel router, I can significantly expand the chat radius compared to bitchat's purely BLE approach.

Edit: Boo, no iOS app

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by Aachen »

idiotsecant wrote: post #45
monkaiju wrote: post #16

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I looked a bit into meshtastic and was told that if a node was physically compromised then messages could be intercepted. That cant be right, right?

There was a well known crypto weakness, CVE-2025-52464, that allowed man in the middle decryption of meshtastic traffic. It was fixed by a firmware patch that improved crypto discipline.

Bad randomness in generating keys, for anyone else wondering

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by ozfive »

codezero wrote: post #8
subscribed wrote: post #7

Perhaps Americans should start preparing with Meshtastic / Meshcore, just in case....... ..,..the Emperor seems hellbent on bringing martial law into effect.

The military can very easily find and eliminate repeaters very quickly and almost certainly would.

Maybe ham repeaters but when we are talking lorawan they will have a hell of a time taking the networks down that are already established. Just in my suburb we have more than 6000 nodes because of the helium network.
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