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Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.

On one hand I'd say you have a reason to panic but on the other it's no secret that in the US might makes right so it's not like the overall situation has changed dramatically.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.

It's not banned if ICE agents aren't prosecuted when they commit crimes

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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violence never helps. if you think violence helps, you already lost. fascism in germany wasn't stopped with violence either. i don't mean the war, but before that, so we can't rally argue that it would have been possible to prevent fascism from coming to power with a violent response. we don't know. didn't fascists in germany even incite violence in order to have an excuse to take power?

the only answer to fascism is global and local unity. the majority of people need to be against fascism. violence will always come from a minority position and will never have majority support. a majority does not need violence.

sadly the sister comment is dead: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46612742

it links to a good video arguing against violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGdF9pKMOAA

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Why's that? Some older people have them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_dental_gold

Reading some of this reminds me, thank god, we still have a long way to go to be in a death cult administration. Brutal, uncaring, immoral, yea, yes, yes. But not death cult level yet.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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In Minneapolis there are videos of ICE blocking off residential neighborhoods and going door, demanding ID of residents. https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea... These aren’t bad apples, ICE operates without regard to the law by design.

In the Netherlands we call that a razzia. Very popular in the early 40s.

General warrants (the sort of thing being done here) are explicitly listed as one of the things motivating independence from england in the declaration of independence.

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One is a sitting president, one hasn't been in a decade. What do you believe is more pressing, and why?

A good question.

As the ACLU notes, Obamas use of ICE is similar to Trumps. I believe if people are sincere, they should condemn either neither or both.

If they refuse to condemn Obama, but do condemn Trump, I do not believe they can make a good argument about compassion. That may change the conversation, which I think would lead to a more logical discussion.

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