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UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

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Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on now. That's obviously not true. CSAM is absolutely banned on twitter, and all other American platforms.

Then why does Musk refuse to fix 'Grok' and allow it to produce CSAM? Is this what the billionaire class want? AI everywhere and then hide behind "it's not the AI doing it, it's the users prompting it!".

> Is this what the billionaire class want?

The billionaire class loves this type of shit, just look at the epstein files

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#62

Most of these comments I think are off the mark. For some reason anything to do with EU or the UK legislating to protect citizenry is seen as some Orwellian conspiracy to mind control people. I agree some of the policies feel like always using a hammer - but I strongly suspect it's because the tech industry is clearly not playing ball. Children being sent dick pics, or AI generated nudes of them being sent around sch…

The things you mention are already illegal. The effective proven solution is to enforce existing laws, to punish and deter bad behaviour like any other crime. This incongruence is why a lot of people don't take the reasoning at face value and see it as only rhetorical justification for increased surveillance, which is widely understood as something the state wants do do anyway.

I posted a reply here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46599842 that addresses why I think "this is already a crime" doesn't go far enough, and why these laws are being introduced.

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#63

Okay, everyone here is talking about dick pics but let's be clear here the goal is >A major expansion of the UK’s Online Safety Act (OSA) has taken effect, legally obliging digital platforms to deploy surveillance-style systems that scan, detect, and block user content before it can be seen. Do we really believe that no government forever is not going to use this to prevent certain "misinformation" from circulating?…

I don't understand the downvotes that you are getting.

There is a clear intent to muzzle the population that is going on in Europe with this new legislation and then with Chat control. Those who can't see that need to remove the blinders they have on.

First, it's the nudes and then it's something else. Once there is a capability to filter what can be shared between two adults in private message, then can anyone say that any government is not going to come back for more and ask more and more things to be removed or censored?

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on now. That's obviously not true. CSAM is absolutely banned on twitter, and all other American platforms.

Grok AI generating child pornography has been a leading news story in the British press for the past few days.

All images uploaded to twitter, or any other lawful American social media platform, are perceptually hashed and checked against databases of known CSAM. Computer generated pornography, while obviously odious, is not technically illegal in the US. And in either case, twitter has been a dumping ground of such crap for as long as it has existed. In short, with all due respect, get a grip.

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#65

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UK government publicly making a fool of itself is probably not counter to the interests of Elon Musk at all... His political faction have been keen to insult the British government whenever possible. The more absurd their public enemies act, the more reasonable they look in comparison.

Musk is implicitly allowing child pornography on his platform. There's no way around that. Apple/Google should have removed X a while ago.

> Musk is implicitly allowing child pornography on his platform.

That is blatantly false and you know it. Musk has lot to answer for but we don't need to start making up imaginary crimes here.

> Apple/Google should have removed X a while ago.

Those who ask willy-nilly for censorship always end up being surprised when the systems comes after them in the end as it always does.

If tomorrow Apple and Google ban an app that you like, will you still agree that censorship is ok?

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#66

I understand the rage generated here, but what is the alternative? If a service implements privacy invading 'features' then we have the choice not to use that service. Letting tech companies self-regulate has failed, and too many people leave morality at the door when engaging online, something which doesn't happen at scale IRL. What are we to do if not monitor? And how to make that scalable if not to introduce autom…

but what is the alternative

If an app can be installed on someones hardware without their intervention launch it into the air and use it for target practice. If a website requires some crypto-crap to verify objects were scanned then upload to smaller platforms and let others link to the objects from the big platform. The big platforms can play whack-a-mole removing links, it's a fun game. The smaller sites can give the crawler alternate images. Better yet just use small semi-private self hosted platforms. Even better yet ensure those platforms are only accessible via .onion domains requiring a browser that is Tor enabled. People can then make sites that proxy/cache objects from Tor onion sites to easier to access sites.

Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why does Musk refuse to fix 'Grok' and allow it to produce CSAM? Is this what the billionaire class want? AI everywhere and then hide behind "it's not the AI doing it, it's the users prompting it!".

> Is this what the billionaire class want? The billionaire class loves this type of shit, just look at the epstein files

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Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#68

I understand the rage generated here, but what is the alternative? If a service implements privacy invading 'features' then we have the choice not to use that service. Letting tech companies self-regulate has failed, and too many people leave morality at the door when engaging online, something which doesn't happen at scale IRL. What are we to do if not monitor? And how to make that scalable if not to introduce autom…

> What are we to do if not monitor?

Simple, you can choose to only use platforms that use the most stringent scanning technologies for you and your family.

You give the UK government (or the equivalent that applies to you) the right to continuously scan everything from pictures to emails to messages and then obviously you give them the right to prosecute you and come after you when one of their AI algorithms mistakenly detects child porn on your device or in your messages just like this guy: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-cs...

For the rest of us, we should be free to opt out from being surveilled by machines 24/7.

Then everyone is happy.

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Re: UK Expands Online Safety Act to Mandate Preemptive Scanning

#70

How will it know if the dick pic is wanted or unwanted?

The uncomfortable truth: I know and have met plenty of women who have invited and welcomed dick pics. As a gay guy, I can tell you that lots of women are actually very interested in dick pics. They don't need a minister protecting them from themselves.

Come on, even knowing this, you have to admit there's probably a lot more unsolicited than solicited ones...
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