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Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by soldthat »

dang wrote: post #53
sporkxrocket wrote: post #4

Good, it's barbaric child abuse. No other form of permanent body modification surgery (especially to genitals!) would be allowed on infants who can't consent. An adult wants to get circumcised? Go for it. It's pretty wild that we allow it on babies that can't even speak.

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Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by 9x39 »

wrsh07 wrote: post #49
9x39 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can stretch it to religion, if you consider being inculcated in a certain religion a 1-way door. Circumcision removes nerve endings and results in an exposed glans, which thickens the skin and further dulls its nerve endings. This is a 1-way reduction in sexual capacity, which the child doesn't have any say in. Comparing it to ear piercing isn't the same, which, while cartilage doesn't heal easily, there's no sex…

I don't know that your claims about male circumcision have any basis in fact https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26724395/?utm_source=chatgpt...

Respectfully, this is a case where a lack of "field experience" combines with asking AI about peepees, and it gets weird after that.

Like another commenter said, this is a small (62) group of men tested for stimuli that don't appear to resemble sex.

To be blunt, I think it is apparent to those with experience that uncircumcised penises are significantly more sensitive than circumcised ones. If you wanted to test this - get a big sample size and simulate the 3 common types of copulation in a standard way (lol).

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by attqqq »

Baffling that male genital mutilation persists to this day due to momentum, misinformation, and a small religious niche alone. Really makes me think there’s an empathy gap between gendered issues. 1996 we got rid of FGM, yet 30 years later baby boys still get their tips of their penis cut off, often incorrectly/too far.

Humbling reminder we really are a bunch of well dressed apes playing house, I forget that sometimes

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by mindslight »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #41
Der_Einzige wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my point. Yes it's tongue-in-cheek. No I'm not an SCP version of a "furry" or "otherkin" who thinks that their make believe universe is real. It's an analogy for the INSANITY of the current acceptance of mass circumcision uncritically by the masses.

You don't need a "Ketar class SCP object", simple conflict of interest from the Medical-Industrial Complex will do. All those skin banks could turn into liabilities instead of profit centers, since preservation of the product is also preservation of the evidence. A functioning government would waltz in, keep the power on, start sequencing the tissues and cells to identify at least some of the victims, and do this in…

Are those victims not capable of identifying themselves if they feel they were indeed victimized?

(but for context, my own view on the subject is "Let's wait a hot minute before we go cutting parts off the baby")

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by edanm »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #59
stogot wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever argued in favor of aborting children? That is mutilation without the child’s consent, almost always for non-medical purposes

I would answer, but I rather not, publicly, because of HN privacy policy (nonexistent) and handling of personal data (abysmal), and also because is impossible to delete your comments.

FYI I think you can email dang and ask to delete old posts. Or at least I think he said that once.

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by pseudohadamard »

just_the_tip2 wrote: post #26

In 1996 the Federal Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation Act made it illegal to perform FGM on minors for non-medical reasons, and in 2013 the Transport for Female Genital Mutilation Act prohibited transporting a minor out of the country for the purpose of FGM. Male genital mutilation on minors for non-medical reasons should also be made illegal. It is amazing Medicaid still pays for it in many states. The Americ…

Female genital mutilation is done by Them, and bad. Male genital mutilation is done by Us, and not bad.

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by Jensson »

IshKebab wrote: post #44
GeoAtreides wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not different: they both irreversibly violate body autonomy for non-medical purposes.

They're clearly different. FGM generally has much more severe consequences than circumcision. They should both be banned but FGM is clearly much worse.

> FGM generally has much more severe consequences than circumcision

There are variants that are equivalent to circumcision, but those are banned as well. It is illegal to cut into female genitals and legal to cut into male genitals today.

To stay consistent people should either support making some versions of FGM legal or make all versions of MGM illegal.

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by DoctorOetker »

mindslight wrote: post #64
DoctorOetker wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need a "Ketar class SCP object", simple conflict of interest from the Medical-Industrial Complex will do. All those skin banks could turn into liabilities instead of profit centers, since preservation of the product is also preservation of the evidence. A functioning government would waltz in, keep the power on, start sequencing the tissues and cells to identify at least some of the victims, and do this in…

Are those victims not capable of identifying themselves if they feel they were indeed victimized? (but for context, my own view on the subject is "Let's wait a hot minute before we go cutting parts off the baby")

The problem is evidence, its not like those urologists like incriminating themselves. Even though my trauma occurred in hospital, its not in my medical file. How does one even start to file an official complaint if it didn't happen according to your medical file?

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by DoctorOetker »

edanm wrote: post #48
DoctorOetker wrote: post #43

the discussion got flagged why is it not possible to vouch for the discussion?

It is not possible to vouch for any discussion, afaik. Only comments.

I asked "why" it is impossible not "if" it is.

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Post by tstrimple »

fooqux wrote: post #58
lostmsu wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the laws should explicitly encode babies' freedom of religion of their parents.

It isn't hard to find people with different religious views from their parents, so no, I don't think defaulting a baby to any religion should be a thing.

"Because I've seen successful children come out of abusive homes, I don't think we need to do anything about abusive homes."
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