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ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by Forgeties79 »

_qua wrote: post #38
kaffekaka wrote: post #7

Once again, glad to live in Europe.

If you lived in the US and you didn't like this product, you can just choose to not use it. What benefit do you as a citizen of Europe derive from having this withheld from you?

I get some of us here in the US have a near-allergic reaction to regulations or prohibition of any kind, but come on man. At some point you have to acknowledge we need the government to protect us from corporate greed, even on rare occasion. “Just don’t use it” is not a real argument when basically everyone is now expected to use LLM’s at work and beyond

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by monooso »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #34
trollbridge wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like excellent evidentiary material for a future insurer or government health provider to decide you're uninsurable, not eligible for a job, and so on. And the great thing about it is that you already signed all your rights away for them to do this exact thing , when we could have had an open world with open models run locally instead where you got to keep your private health information private.

If an insurer is able to reduce (or recoup) costs from likelier risks, then the remaining insureds benefit from lower premiums. If the goal is providing subsidies (i.e. wealth transfers), then insurance is not the way to do it. That is the government’s role.

Not a US citizen, so a genuine question: do US health insurance companies have a track record of passing on such savings to consumers?

That has not been my impression as an outside observer.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by phatfish »

atmosx wrote: post #20
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

I agree. LLMs cannot and should not replace professionals but there are huge gaps that can be filled by intro provided and the fact that you can dig deeper into any subject is huge. This is probably a field that MistralAI could use privacy and GDPR as leverage to build LLMs around that.

One of the big issues I have with LLMs that when you start a prompting session with an easy question it all goes great. It bring up points you might not have considered and appears very knowledgeable. Fact checking at this stage will show the LLM is invariably correct.

Then you start "digging deeper" on a specific sub-topic, and this is where the risk of an incorrect response grows. But it is easy to continue with the assumption the text you are getting is accurate.

This has happened so many times with the computing/programming related topics i usually prompt about, there is no way I would trust a response from an LLM on health related issues I am not already very familiar with.

Given that the LLM will give incorrect information (after lulling people with a false sense of it being accurate), who is going to be responsible for the person that makes themselves worse off by doing self diagnosis, even with a privacy focused service?

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

monooso wrote: post #62
lotsofpulp wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If an insurer is able to reduce (or recoup) costs from likelier risks, then the remaining insureds benefit from lower premiums. If the goal is providing subsidies (i.e. wealth transfers), then insurance is not the way to do it. That is the government’s role.

Not a US citizen, so a genuine question: do US health insurance companies have a track record of passing on such savings to consumers? That has not been my impression as an outside observer.

Health insurance companies in the US are not allowed to deny coverage, and can only price premiums based on age (highest premium capped at 3x lowest premium, location, and tobacco use.

https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/pre-existing-conditions/

https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/

Health insurance premiums in the US are more tax than insurance. They also have low single digit profit margins with less than desirable shareholder returns (many are non profit in the first place), so they don’t have much room to lower premiums without also reducing healthcare expenses.

The insurance business in general is very competitive and not very profitable, so an insurer that tries to collect outsized premiums will usually suffer a loss of business.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by DudeOpotomus »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #45
DudeOpotomus wrote: post #43

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You will be denied coverage and treatment because you volunteered your personal data with zero controls over its use and your rights. \

Denied by who? Most developed nations will not, including the US. Either way, that’s a separate problem solved by legislation or increased wealth transfers. Denying people information doesn’t help.

A truly naive understanding of American business and politics.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by _qua »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #61
_qua wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you lived in the US and you didn't like this product, you can just choose to not use it. What benefit do you as a citizen of Europe derive from having this withheld from you?

I get some of us here in the US have a near-allergic reaction to regulations or prohibition of any kind, but come on man. At some point you have to acknowledge we need the government to protect us from corporate greed, even on rare occasion. “Just don’t use it” is not a real argument when basically everyone is now expected to use LLM’s at work and beyond

Well, I've really love being protected from cookies. Has done wonders for my experience on the web.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by azan_ »

DudeOpotomus wrote: post #49
azan_ wrote: post #11

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> Dystopian and frankly, gross. Its amazing to me that so many people are willing to give up control over their lives and in this case, their bodies, for the smallest inkling of ease. I've read people with chronic conditions reporting that chatgpt actually helped them land correct diagnosis that doctors did not consider so people are not just using that for "inkling of ease".

Yes, trading your privacy and autonomy for perceived ease is how they are going to steal your future and your freedom.

Please read my comment again. If you lived with chronic pain that multiple doctors failed to correctly diagnose and ChatGPT actually suggested correct diagnosis then you wouldn’t call it just perceived ease, but something that made your life much, much better. I’m doctor and I’m all for empowering patients (as long as they consult ChatGPT output with actual doctors). It’s very easy to criticize people resorting to llms if you do not have any rare debilitating condition that’s not correctly diagnosed.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by lionkor »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #32
jsheard wrote: post #22

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On the other hand, sometimes you end up like this guy. Are you feeling lucky? https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/08/after-using-chatgpt-m...

You could also list plenty of horror stories where people went to medical professionals and got screwed over. There is this myth that people can go to doctors and get perfect attention and treatment. Reality is far from that

Are medical professionals not usually held accountable, globally speaking?

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by Forgeties79 »

azan_ wrote: post #67
DudeOpotomus wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, trading your privacy and autonomy for perceived ease is how they are going to steal your future and your freedom.

Please read my comment again. If you lived with chronic pain that multiple doctors failed to correctly diagnose and ChatGPT actually suggested correct diagnosis then you wouldn’t call it just perceived ease, but something that made your life much, much better. I’m doctor and I’m all for empowering patients (as long as they consult ChatGPT output with actual doctors). It’s very easy to criticize people resorting to ll…

What they seem to be saying is “this is how they get you,” which I agree with. Whether or not it’s immensely helpful is not being debated. There’s a very serious cost no matter what.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by threetonesun »

glemion43 wrote: post #31
DudeOpotomus wrote: post #6

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Do you believe that ChatGPT is doing the the research? I'm all in favor of better access and tools to research but at least in the US all of the research is being defunded, we're actively kicking researchers out of the country, and a bunch of white billionaires are proposing this as an alternative, based on training data they won't share.

This is a product feature that invalidates WebMD and the like. It does not solve any health problems.

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