Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

(l)uriel has passed away

9fans.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 108 posts

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#61

Post by fusiongyro »

dmorgan wrote: post #25
pygy_ wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enable the `showdead` option. He was hellbanned for voicing a dissenting opinion in a thread about sexism.

Yes, because "free speech" is nice and all, but there are some opinions that you should not have, even on a liberal place like Hacker News. One should not be allowed to divert from popular opinion (be it popular in society in general, in some conservative circle, or merely popular within the hip crowd), even if he is not being trollish and is providing arguments about it. In issues where most HN people agree, you sho…

Free speech is something the government guarantees its citizens. It's not something every website on the internet owes you.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#62

Post by tripzilch »

philh wrote: post #60
tripzilch wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hellbanning is necessary to keep the trolls out. No it is NOT. You do understand what hellbanning is, right? It means hiding their posts from everyone but them . That's right, if you were hellbanned, you wouldn't know. Read this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/06/suspension-ban-or-h... Hellbanning, as opposed to regular banning, a warning system or suspensions, is counterproductive, a giant waste of people's…

> There is nothing that hellbanning (the way it's doled out on HN) solves better than regular bans, suspensions or warnings. Sure there is: griefers. The problem is that hellbanning is the only kind of discipline, and it gets handed out too easily. And you're (probably) right that this in turn makes it less effective against griefers than it could be. But it's still more effective than a regular ban.

Sorry I'm only familiar with the concept of griefers in online gaming. How does the phenomenon manifest on HN?

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#63

Post by pmr_ »

libria wrote: post #52

I only know him as a passionate advocate for Go language. He was a moderator on /r/golang and maintained a comprehensive site on Go language resources at http://go-lang.cat-v.org/ . I've been to his site many times looking for libraries, books, or code samples. If I'm not mistaken, this is his Google+: https://plus.google.com/105846208800330724949/about . RIP, fellow programmer.

Yes, it is. I used to have him in my circles for quite some time and his posts were among the more interesting ones.

I didn't realize up to today who he actually was.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#64

Post by nemo »

dmorgan wrote: post #25
pygy_ wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enable the `showdead` option. He was hellbanned for voicing a dissenting opinion in a thread about sexism.

Yes, because "free speech" is nice and all, but there are some opinions that you should not have, even on a liberal place like Hacker News. One should not be allowed to divert from popular opinion (be it popular in society in general, in some conservative circle, or merely popular within the hip crowd), even if he is not being trollish and is providing arguments about it. In issues where most HN people agree, you sho…

I hadn't communicated with uriel on Hacker News, so perhaps he had better behavior here, but part of the reason I avoided him was because of interactions with him on reddit. He was a really bright guy, and when discussing software he had a lot of valuable insight, but religion and politics got him behaving in ways that were destructive to communities. On reddit he would get belligerent to the point of being verbally abusive. Not just rude, but creepily vindictive and stalking. I can't say that that's why he got hell-banned here, but given how he acted elsewhere on the web, it may well be that he was banned over issues more serious than merely airing unpopular opinions.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#65

Post by drbawb »

I've talked to him on #plan9chan, and I was quite fond of the conviction with which he held his various viewpoints.

More recently I've been following his Go related posts. The word of his passing came as quite a shock, he will be missed by many.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#66

Post by davidp »

fusiongyro wrote: post #61
dmorgan wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because "free speech" is nice and all, but there are some opinions that you should not have, even on a liberal place like Hacker News. One should not be allowed to divert from popular opinion (be it popular in society in general, in some conservative circle, or merely popular within the hip crowd), even if he is not being trollish and is providing arguments about it. In issues where most HN people agree, you sho…

Free speech is something the government guarantees its citizens. It's not something every website on the internet owes you.

Your second sentence is true: Private censorship isn't the same as public censorship; you have no fundamental right to free speech in a context owned by someone else (private website, physical business, physical home, etc.).

But your first sentence needs adjustment: Free speech is something a government takes away from its citizens. It's a fundamental right held by everyone in the world. There are governments that fail to protect it, and of course many that actively violate it.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#70

Post by JasonFruit »

davidp wrote: post #66
fusiongyro wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech is something the government guarantees its citizens. It's not something every website on the internet owes you.

Your second sentence is true: Private censorship isn't the same as public censorship; you have no fundamental right to free speech in a context owned by someone else (private website, physical business, physical home, etc.). But your first sentence needs adjustment: Free speech is something a government takes away from its citizens. It's a fundamental right held by everyone in the world. There are governments that fa…

It irrationally aggravates me when people say this, but: This. Rights are inherent to people, not something granted to them by the whim of people with power.
Post reply on HN