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Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by everfrustrated »

yabones wrote: post #57
ascari wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that the UK has one of the most expensive electricity prices in the world

If I'm remembering correctly, it's because the previous government set the price floor to the average natural gas price, artificially propping up their north sea oil & gas industry that's been noncompetitive for decades. Even though they can make cheap energy, consumers get screwed because of national security concerns. Unfortunately I don't have a source, and would appreciate a UK national with better understanding…

The only reason the wind farms got built was because they got guaranteed a high price of electricity that took the risk out of it. This changed more recently which is why building stopped.

Another factor is in the UK everything below the average tide line is owned by the Crown (as in the King not the government) who were very happy to get lease income. The Govt was also happy so it didn't look like the people were funding the King (which they are).

Also the public are very against wind turbines on land which is reasonable in England where there isn't much isolated land to put them.

At least they got built, which is more than can be said for the nuclear plants.

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by everfrustrated »

russss wrote: post #58
yabones wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm remembering correctly, it's because the previous government set the price floor to the average natural gas price, artificially propping up their north sea oil & gas industry that's been noncompetitive for decades. Even though they can make cheap energy, consumers get screwed because of national security concerns. Unfortunately I don't have a source, and would appreciate a UK national with better understanding…

Pretty much all electricity markets worldwide set the unit price based on the the cost of the "marginal" (most expensive) generator running during each time period. It's a weirdly common misconception that the UK is unique in doing this. If you paid generators what they bid, then they're incentivised to manipulate their bids to try and make the most money, distorting the market. Almost all the wind farms and many sol…

>Pretty much all electricity markets worldwide set the unit price based on the the cost of the "marginal" (most expensive) generator running during each time period

Indeed. This is inherent failing of the use of auctions for setting price. While using auctions is a laudable goal, in reality it is not very efficient and easily gamed. Having a central purchaser model is not idea from a ideological standpoint but clearly more efficient allowing correctly controlling for more variables than can (crudely) be transmitted through a 30 minute auction period.

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by aembleton »

cowteriyaki wrote: post #36

I find the fact that beer pipelines have their own color designation in the map legend intriguing. Are they common enough outside of breweries to merit singling them out?

I know there's one in Bruges, which is mapped on here: https://openinframap.org/#13.22/51.21001/3.22418/A,B,I,L

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by aembleton »

raggles wrote: post #39

In New Zealand at least, a lot of this data seems to come from imagery; it's quite outdated, the cables are all missing and the voltages are pretty hit and miss. Cool project though.

You can update the data in Open Street Map. Theres a lot of incorrect data in there, but it can only be as good as the data thats been entered.

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by luplex »

croemer wrote: post #45

One can nicely see the bridge across the river that was burned in the recent attack in Berlin. https://openinframap.org/#15.16/52.425587/13.307235 Everything on the left thereof was then without power for multiple days as this was a single point of failure. See thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46487404

I immediately went and looked for it too!

I also tried to see any vulnerable sabotage spots that would put my electricity out, but that seems harder.

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by matkoniecz »

kelseydh wrote: post #25

The map for Australia is interesting. Is this missing data? See no infrastructure for Alice Springs in the interior of Australia.

It is possible and likely that some data was not yet mapped in OpenStreetMap. So it is missing in OpenStreetMap-based map.

Feel free to edit it if you can!

(even if this specific data is not possible to be added by you - feel free to add say nearby shop or park)

ad: if you have Android I can recommend StreetComplete (great for newbies)

if you have iPhone - GoMap!! is great though a bit more complicated to use

Vespucci is more complicated and more powerful than StreetComplete editor for Android phones

or you can edit directly on osm.org from desktop

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disclaimer: I am a walking conflict of interest as far as OSM goes (for start, I am StreetComplete contributor)

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by yrro »

yabones wrote: post #57
ascari wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that the UK has one of the most expensive electricity prices in the world

If I'm remembering correctly, it's because the previous government set the price floor to the average natural gas price, artificially propping up their north sea oil & gas industry that's been noncompetitive for decades. Even though they can make cheap energy, consumers get screwed because of national security concerns. Unfortunately I don't have a source, and would appreciate a UK national with better understanding…

https://www.electricitybills.uk/ shows a breakdown of the components of consumer energy bills. It's not as simple as saying "it's expensive because of gas", though pricing based on the marginal production cost is one component.

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by matkoniecz »

roschdal wrote: post #4

This is a bad idea in terms of security in war

someone having ability to precisely target other country likely would not be stopped much by need to find power plants themselves

while such open data has also positive effects

have you considered both? it is not like deleting power plant from single map would hide it

disclaimer: I am OpenStreetMap contributor

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