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Children and Helical Time

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post #6

> This is a depressing thought to consider in (linear) middle age, but it is hard to escape the feeling that it is essentially true. Childhood memories have an intensity and a vibrancy that it is difficult for the rest of life to match. Could anyone who is extremely fortunate and never had to work for money share their experience on this? I find that the years that I spent on art (playing around, learning new things,…

i basically never had to work (EU privilege + luck of being born the skill of knowing how to sell to people well) and only worked on stuff that i enjoyed and not a lot of hours (and that turned into millions fast) and my 20s/30s flew like months instead of years and didn't have the intensity of my teen years. I think it's because despite technically travelling and living in different countries a lot, going to a new place is not really a new experience after you visit 7 very different ones. The same with women and a lot of other experiences. Having kids was the only think that surprised me. Making money got old fast (i mean trying to get to the "next" level)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last few years I've been my own boss mostly doing whatever I feel like with several years funds comfortable and no real pressure to do or die. Time hasn't really slowed down. I also took a year completely off work in 2016, that one also passed very quickly. If anything, having new experiences is what seems to slow down time in my experience. Visiting new locations, doing and learning new things. I suppose more things…

Oh, my dear, thats hell! > I've also had a bad tooth ache since the day before Christmas Wasnt there any emergency dentist available? In my location, there are those for these reasons.

So, short story long: Things weren't that bad before and during Christmas, but started getting bad last Friday. So last Saturday I paid a visit to an emergency dentist, who basically shrugged and said come back on Monday when we have more staff. Sunday sucked I was just in pain all day.

But said and done, I came back on Monday, they looked at it again, said it was probably an old filling that was maybe acting up, basically just drilled a bit and filled it back up again. This made it hurt a bit less for about a day (specially during the procedure, even with them drilling into the tooth, local anaesthetic made this the least discomfort I'd been in for almost a week), but since then it's been aching again. It's not as bad as before, but still barely manageable with OTC painkillers.

So tomorrow I'm hitting them up again, hopefully I'm able to convince them to pull the tooth, since it's way back in the mouth and has been nothing but causing me grief since I got the original filling, food getting stuck and causing inflammation, that sort of stuff. The alternative would probably be a root canal, but since it's in a very inaccessible location, that's a real hassle.

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#63
post #55

> The motivation for making school more rewarding and less stultifying should not primarily be its effect on outcomes later in life, but rather that childhood is itself part of life, a very important part. Almost makes me tear up. 1000 times this.

This is the paragraph that grabbed my attention. I wasn't expecting to find something so human.

I remember coming to the realization during my more challenging school years that waiting all week for Saturday to come was literally wishing my life away. I didn't know what burnout was at the time, but an angel of a friend recognized it and helped me understand.

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#64
post #39

Regarding the perception of time, I have a complete opposite perception of the author. He mentions 20 as a middle point. I was after that, in my 20s when I first took real full control. I can remember the times before that. But I did so many "firsts" after that! My childhood years feel very short and boring to me; while the time after that feels gigantic and exciting. There is so much in the world and so precious lit…

Whilst I did more new things in my 20s, I do recall my perception of days as a child being much much longer. I have distinct recollection of feeling almost clinical depression when I was about 8 after being told that we would be going to the seaside tomorrow and not today. To a childs perception of time, it was an agonizing eternity.

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It's a perception thing --- a given period of time is related to one's total life experience/recent memory --- to a toddler, a week is a long time because at that age one cannot remember many weeks and the weeks which one remembers are full of new experiences each of which is vivid and fresh, while to a person in middle age, there are many, many weeks accumulated into many repeated years, and the experiences are much the same and repeated.

The big thing which we need to change and solve is education --- I have memories of going to a school in Mississippi which my perception of was that it was quite well run, and that classes in it were divided between academic and social --- social classes were attended at one's age level, while academic classes were attended at one's ability level (4 grade cap up through 8th grade) and that students who progressed beyond high school courses were able to take college courses, some teachers being accredited as faculty at a local college, or instructors from that institution being brought to the school for classes at need.

Maybe AP classes offer a similar facility in public school systems? Though one wants to cue the _Doonesbury_ cartoon of the college dean who after being told that his entire Freshman class is taking remedial 051 level _everything_ is running a glorified pre school.

Roger Zelazny made much of college education becoming quite a different thing when Samuel Eliot of Harvard made the conceptual leap of dividing education by the college credit hour and allowing customization beyond the rote repetition of previous generations in his wonderful novel _Doorways in the Sand_ --- perhaps that should be extended down on some sort of skills basis? The school I attended after Mississippi did reading with a pair of boxes of Scholastic Reading Assessment (SRA) booklets, which, not understanding that one was supposed to do a two or three at each level and get approval on before moving to the next level, I did _all_ of in a matter of weeks, which left me with nothing to do for the balance of the school year but go to the (meager) elementary school library.

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Well that’s interesting.

I’m going to combine this information with another idea. The second idea comes from Tony Robbins, who tells us we can have mastery over our memories and use them to influence our psyche.

You can magnify and clarify pleasing and positive memories. You can diminish and distance unpleasant or painful ones. This can change your view of the world, for better.

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I'm 22 and since late college things don't excite me the way they used to, even when I enjoy them. I sometimes wonder if this is what happens when people get older and happened to me early, or if it's just a personality trait. The 'vicarious firsts' framing doesn't quite land for me because of that, but the 'urgency that won't let you drift' observation resonates. Maybe what matters isn't renewed wonder but having so…

> I sometimes wonder if this is what happens when people get older and happened to me early, or if it's just a personality trait. It's a cliché but I (almost 50 years old) have found that when you get older, you notice patterns, Something "new" is often just an incremental improvement or two existing things combined. Rust doesn't excite me much, and Go seems too boring to use for my side projects. Elixir + Phoenix Li…

Thanks for sharing insight. I also feel like a couple decades ago, technology was also reasonably simple and understandable. Right now, everything is obfuscated and complex. Maybe that's natural, but makes it harder to get excited about seeing new things.

Similar to you, I don't care about mobile phones anymore. Instead of fancy hardware or features what I care is simple, secure, and private phone (open-source OS). I used to get excited on new models.

Recently a couple of my friends were talking about "Telegram vs Whatsapp." One is better because it has this feature, etc. They asked my opinion too. I don't care which is better, I only use them because I have to use them for contacting family and some friends. I just need the send text and image functionality (and I don't use it for private / secure texting).

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#68
Childhood is only half of subjective life if you stagnate as an adult. If you keep changing your routine, you'll find each year has just as much subjective experience as the previous.

Start a company in an industry where you have no experience. Move to a country where nobody speaks a language you understand. Find a new sport and commit to being a top 0.1% participant (for most sports that don't air regularly on national television, this can be done in a year).

If subjective life is speeding up, throw yourself some curve balls.

Re: Children and Helical Time

#69
post #68

Childhood is only half of subjective life if you stagnate as an adult. If you keep changing your routine, you'll find each year has just as much subjective experience as the previous. Start a company in an industry where you have no experience. Move to a country where nobody speaks a language you understand. Find a new sport and commit to being a top 0.1% participant (for most sports that don't air regularly on natio…

Amusingly enough, one of the easiest way to serve yourself curveballs is to have children of your own.

You then are no longer in control of your house, schedule, or really much. And you have someone to cheer on.

Re: Children and Helical Time

#70
post #39

Regarding the perception of time, I have a complete opposite perception of the author. He mentions 20 as a middle point. I was after that, in my 20s when I first took real full control. I can remember the times before that. But I did so many "firsts" after that! My childhood years feel very short and boring to me; while the time after that feels gigantic and exciting. There is so much in the world and so precious lit…

Whilst I did more new things in my 20s, I do recall my perception of days as a child being much much longer. I have distinct recollection of feeling almost clinical depression when I was about 8 after being told that we would be going to the seaside tomorrow and not today . To a childs perception of time, it was an agonizing eternity.

Children run on “sleeps” and eventually weeks - a single day is such a large percentage of their life, after all!

And each year is new, even if just teachers changing; but most have new things you can do.

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