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Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Re: Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Post by btreecat »

boerseth wrote: post #23

> Brainf*ck is the antithesis of modern software engineering. There are no comments, no meaningful variable names, and no structure That's not true. From the little time I've spent trying to read and write some simple programs in BF, I recall good examples being pretty legible. In fact, because the language only relies on those few characters, anything else you type becomes a comment. Linebreaks, whitespace, alphanum…

> That's not true. From the little time I've spent trying to read and write some simple programs in BF, I recall good examples being pretty legible.

Anything in a reasonably familiar type face and size will continue to be legible, however brainfuck is not easily human parsable.

Greatly reducing its ability to be _read and mentally internalized._ With out that, are you really doing software engineering or are you actually a software maintenance person?

A janitor doesn't need to understand how energy generation works if he has to change the light bulb.

Re: Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Post by DonHopkins »

rjh29 wrote: post #15
perching_aix wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mhmm, so chilling. Cause word filters aren't as old as computing itself...

The trend of self-censoring words like 'dead' and 'kill' appears to be relatively new, motivated by TikTok and YouTube algorithms, but spilling over into the general internet.

[dead]

Re: Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Post by DonHopkins »

perching_aix wrote: post #33
serf wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

passwords were a foreign concept to early computing, but you presume censorship was taking place? it took awhile of corporatization and profit-shaping before censorship on computers really took off in any meaningful way. ...but it wasn't for any reasons other than market broadening and regulation compliance.

I think you're not taking what I wrote nearly literally enough. Really, you should be showing me diagrams of the Von Neumann architecture missing a censorship module. Maybe even gasp at the omission of it in Babbage's letters. But why stop there? Let's bring out the venerable Abacus! We could have riveting discussions about how societies even back then, thousands of years ago, designated certain language as foul, and…

It's even possible to spell out BOOBS on an abacus.

Re: Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Post by drstewart »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #44
drstewart wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Puritans were English protestants. I think you mean to say it's being taken over by European values.

Puritans were kicked out of Europe for their views

Nothing says tolerance and no censorship like kicking out people for their views

Re: Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Post by dktp »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #59

Asked for a solution of a photographed Ubongo puzzle: https://gemini.google.com/share/f2619eb3eaa1 Gemini Pro neither as is nor in Deep Research mode even got the number of pieces or relevant squares right. I didn't expect it to actually solve it. But I would have expected it to get the basics right and maybe hint that this is too difficult. Or pull up some solutions PDF, or some Python code to brute force search ...…

Deep research, from my experience, will always add lectures.

I'm trying to create a comprehensive list of English standup specials. Seems like a good fit! I've tried numerous times to prompt it "provide a comprehensive list of English standup specials released between 2000 and 2005. The output needs to be a csv of verified specials with the author, release date and special name. I do not want any other lecture or anything else. Providing anything except the csv is considered a failure". Then it creates it's own plan and I go further clarifying to explicitly make sure I don't want lectures...

It goes on to hallucinate a bunch of specials and provide a lecture on "2000 the era of X on standup comedy" (for each year)

I've tried this in 2.5 and 3. Numerous time ranges and prompts. Same result. It gets the famous specials right (usually), hallucinates some info on less famous ones (or makes them up completely) and misses anything more obscure

Re: Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Post by hdgvhicv »

DonHopkins wrote: post #62
rjh29 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trend of self-censoring words like 'dead' and 'kill' appears to be relatively new, motivated by TikTok and YouTube algorithms, but spilling over into the general internet.

[dead]

In the U.K. “Trump” is a synonym for “Fart”

Re: Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Post by tessierashpool9 »

dktp wrote: post #65
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #59

Asked for a solution of a photographed Ubongo puzzle: https://gemini.google.com/share/f2619eb3eaa1 Gemini Pro neither as is nor in Deep Research mode even got the number of pieces or relevant squares right. I didn't expect it to actually solve it. But I would have expected it to get the basics right and maybe hint that this is too difficult. Or pull up some solutions PDF, or some Python code to brute force search ...…

Deep research, from my experience, will always add lectures. I'm trying to create a comprehensive list of English standup specials. Seems like a good fit! I've tried numerous times to prompt it "provide a comprehensive list of English standup specials released between 2000 and 2005. The output needs to be a csv of verified specials with the author, release date and special name. I do not want any other lecture or any…

I mean, isn't that a little ridiculous? Aren't those language models already solving complicated exam questions and mathematical problems?

Re: Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Post by geon »

dktp wrote: post #65
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #59

Asked for a solution of a photographed Ubongo puzzle: https://gemini.google.com/share/f2619eb3eaa1 Gemini Pro neither as is nor in Deep Research mode even got the number of pieces or relevant squares right. I didn't expect it to actually solve it. But I would have expected it to get the basics right and maybe hint that this is too difficult. Or pull up some solutions PDF, or some Python code to brute force search ...…

Deep research, from my experience, will always add lectures. I'm trying to create a comprehensive list of English standup specials. Seems like a good fit! I've tried numerous times to prompt it "provide a comprehensive list of English standup specials released between 2000 and 2005. The output needs to be a csv of verified specials with the author, release date and special name. I do not want any other lecture or any…

I tried asking for a list of the most common gameboy color games not compatible with the original dmg gameboy. Chatgpt would over and over list dmg compatible games instead. I asked it to cross reference lists of dmg games to remove them and it ”reasoned” for a long time before it showed what sources it used for cross references, and then gave me the same list again.

It also insisted on including ”Shantae” in the list, which is expensive specifically because it is uncommon. I eventually forbid it from including the game in the list, and that actually worked, but it would continue mentioning it outside the list.

Absolute garbage.

Re: Asking Gemini 3 to generate Brainfuck code results in an infinite loop

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Post by geon »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #67
dktp wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deep research, from my experience, will always add lectures. I'm trying to create a comprehensive list of English standup specials. Seems like a good fit! I've tried numerous times to prompt it "provide a comprehensive list of English standup specials released between 2000 and 2005. The output needs to be a csv of verified specials with the author, release date and special name. I do not want any other lecture or any…

I mean, isn't that a little ridiculous? Aren't those language models already solving complicated exam questions and mathematical problems?

According to the creators, the models are on a phd level of intelligence, but they can’t get the simplest thing right.
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