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Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by mdavid626 »

meibo wrote: post #55
jasonvorhe wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

Culture changes. Hacker culture in Europe changed too, young people are moving up and taking positions in local organizations. You didn't change with it, and you're not open to accepting that change, so you are feeling out of place - that's simply how this works. A lot of those people will feel welcomed and will be treated with respect that they don't usually get everywhere else. They decided to embrace that, it come…

Culture changes, that’s true. However, “change” doesn’t normalize the far left/green initiatives.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by jasonvorhe »

meibo wrote: post #55
jasonvorhe wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

Culture changes. Hacker culture in Europe changed too, young people are moving up and taking positions in local organizations. You didn't change with it, and you're not open to accepting that change, so you are feeling out of place - that's simply how this works. A lot of those people will feel welcomed and will be treated with respect that they don't usually get everywhere else. They decided to embrace that, it come…

I've moved on, all good, change is perfectly fine. I just think they lost something that made CCC special. Got my own decentralized trusted circles now. I think I made it quite clear that I wish anyone still attending these events and spaces all the best regardless.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by meibo »

mdavid626 wrote: post #61
meibo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Culture changes. Hacker culture in Europe changed too, young people are moving up and taking positions in local organizations. You didn't change with it, and you're not open to accepting that change, so you are feeling out of place - that's simply how this works. A lot of those people will feel welcomed and will be treated with respect that they don't usually get everywhere else. They decided to embrace that, it come…

Culture changes, that’s true. However, “change” doesn’t normalize the far left/green initiatives.

CCC always has been explicit far left/green, looking at its history, as other people in here have mentioned.

I think it would be fair to say that the club as a whole has become more open about that, I think that's more owed to a lot of folks driving initiatives feeling like the walls are closing in on them though and I can't exactly fault them for that :)

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by slurrpurr »

izacus wrote: post #59
jasonvorhe wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

Yeah, it's really not wierd that people thinking that using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics would also strongly support using a firewall to defend themselves from disease in the physical space. The fact that your opinion usually comes together with other incompatible political opinions of folks that's been running those spaces for decades doesn't help eithe…

> your opinion usually comes together with other incompatible political opinions of folks

> You however became soemthing they alway despised.

Holy strawman

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by slurrpurr »

pinkgolem wrote: post #37
frankzander wrote: post #33

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this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

You might align less with the points brought forward, but the amount of politics has not changed much in my perception.

The amount of politics may have stayed the same but the topics have definitely shifted

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by frankzander »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #49
frankzander wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

I can fully relate ... back in the days there wasn't much (at least I don't remember) of "this kind" of ppl and everything was just hacking. However I can imagine what you mean. At the end this growing craziness does not change any time soon so you are right ... "finding the folks that fit you" is maybe the best advice (and this hasn't to be the CCC). Fortunately the interesting talks are often recorded so nobody has to attend who don't want in order to get the interesting stuff.
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