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I'm returning my Framework 16

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Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by YorickPeterse »

debo_ wrote: post #10

Author doesn't cite how they decided that only MacBook or Framework would fit their needs. I've never had trouble with Dell laptops with any Linux distro I cared about. If I wanted a powerful Linux laptop, I'd probably look at something like Dell's premium model: https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/laptops-ultrabooks/dell-16-p...

I did briefly look into the XPS series but it seems this series isn't really a thing anymore? I also found a lot of comments describing recurring issues with the trackpad (or was it the keyboard? I can't remember). Basically it seemed like too much of a gamble.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by YorickPeterse »

starkparker wrote: post #12

> One option is the Framework 13 given that it solves at least some issues I have with the Framework 16 (e.g. it's bulkiness and inability to lower the brightness further), but it also seems to share many of the other issues such as poor speaker quality and (at least from hat I could find) worse heat regulation, and a (possibly) worse battery. The speakers are bad, but as a 13 owner I don't see or understand the heat…

I literally mention the reason in the article in the "Configuration" section (https://yorickpeterse.com/articles/im-returning-my-framework...)...

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by mort96 »

fluidcruft wrote: post #58
mort96 wrote: post #24

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I've had two Dell XPS laptops (a 13" 2015 model and a 15" 2-in-1 2018 model). Both had significant touchpad issues: not sure if that's a driver thing or a hardware thing, but both would sometimes act as if there was a phantom touch somewhere on the trackpad which messed with my actual input. One of them had a keyboard where key caps of frequently used keys (super, shift, ctrl) would split in two after a ~year of use;…

I have had many Dells that have been great with FreeBSD and with Linux. You do have to do your research though. Frankly, I wouldn't expect any touchscreen to work with Linux. That's not a Dell issue though.

Interestingly, the touch screen of the 2-in-1 worked really well! I often relied on the touch screen to do light web browsing when the trackpad was acting up.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by YorickPeterse »

could-of wrote: post #54

> A few months ago a few keys of the keyboard stopped working, specifically the 5, 6, -, = and Delete keys. Sometimes I can get it working again by mashing one of them for a while, but it's not consistent. I had the same problem on my X1 Carbon generation 6 and managed to fix it simply by disconnecting and reconnecting the keyboard ribbon cable. It's a very easy fix, the only thing you have to unscrew is the bottom c…

I may be wrong here but IIRC at least with the 7th generation you have to disassemble the whole thing to get to the keyboard. I'll have to take a look though, because if it's really that simple then I may be able to make my life a bit easier. Thanks for the suggestion :)

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

piskov wrote: post #57
aunty_helen wrote: post #45

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I think what’s lost here is when the framework project was launched, all the companies were moving to SoC designs and reliability was unknown. Replacing a stick of ram is still much cheaper than buying a whole new MacBook, but these systems seem to be reliable enough that ram failures aren’t front of mind. Same for SSDs.

> replacing a stick of ram How often does your RAM fail you?

The use case is to replace an existing working stick with a higher capacity stick, not just for repairs.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

Variety is great, but idk why anyone would buy anything other than MacBook for programming or media work in the age of Apple Silicon. Unless they specifically need CUDA or a particular version of Linux or some Windows features, or actually want to tinker with/ tweak the computer continuously.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by kec »

casenmgreen wrote: post #36
Numerlor wrote: post #18

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Value wise when trying to spec out my personal Lenovo laptop on framework, it'd never get anywhere close to being worth it even if I completely made use of the hardware after a future upgrade. Framework makes sense if you're going in on the sustainability idea, but other than that it's really just an expensive laptop that's not compelling against its competitors

I can swap out my mobo for a RISC-V mobo, or ARM. Get away from Intel and management engine.

Or you could just buy a MacBook Air for like $900 (or one of the windows snapdragon machines, but it you care about avoiding Intel I’m assuming you want Linux and doubt the support is as good as asahi on Macs)

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by jeffbee »

ndiddy wrote: post #14
brokencode wrote: post #9

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Just curious in case somebody knows. Are OLED displays in laptops bad at low light? He cites that as a reason he doesn’t want OLED, but I’ve never noticed such a problem on OLED phones.

A lot of computers with OLED displays use PWM for the low brightness levels, and he seems like the type of person who would be sensitive to that sort of thing.

PWM is the only useful way to drive an LED and the people who deny this are, to me, hilarious. In fact for the author's stated use case of low light conditions PWM really is the only way to do it without wrecking accuracy (and efficiency).

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by [deleted] »

casenmgreen wrote: post #36
Numerlor wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Value wise when trying to spec out my personal Lenovo laptop on framework, it'd never get anywhere close to being worth it even if I completely made use of the hardware after a future upgrade. Framework makes sense if you're going in on the sustainability idea, but other than that it's really just an expensive laptop that's not compelling against its competitors

I can swap out my mobo for a RISC-V mobo, or ARM. Get away from Intel and management engine.

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