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Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

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Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

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Post by randallsquared »

diziet wrote: post #25
asciimov wrote: post #15

> "The environment that people live in needs to be one that promotes health, not weight gain. […] Obesity is not a GLP-1 deficiency," he says. This is my biggest issue with weight healthcare, the idea that if only the patient would eat correctly they wouldn’t be overweight. It’s not some moral failing a person often over eats, it very well could be some physiological issue that should be treated. It would be like tel…

I don't have a horse in this race, but from my personal experience eating satiating whole foods with lower glycemic index, higher fiber and protein content makes it very difficult to gain excessive weight. On the asthma front, from experiences with someone close to me -- getting in great physical shape (with caveats regarding training) DID indeed help greatly with broncho-constriction and higher scores on FEV. Basica…

Before GLP-1s, there was rarely any such thing as "satiation" for me. Getting full was something that happened without the feeling of having had enough. The main effect of wegovy, for me, was having a feeling of not needing to eat rather than just feeling too full to eat. It was quite an experience, and one I am not sure I had had in more than 30 years.

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Post by paulpauper »

manmal wrote: post #51
AaronAPU wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it is factually true that it’s a matter of willpower, no amount of reframing it is going to change that. It’s not like others like myself, currently on a cut cycle, don’t experience hunger. The idea that we are just “lucky” ignores all the willpower and discipline we fight through to do it ourselves. I’ve eaten about 800 calories today and it is 4pm. Just finished 90 minutes on the indoor bike. My stomach feels h…

Congrats, your metabolism (FAO, gluconeogenesis, insulin sensitivity, …) works well. Don’t assume that’s the case for everyone, because it’s well researched that this is highly individual.

The ability to tolerate discomfort is probably as genetic/inante as metabolism.

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

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Post by XorNot »

sixtyj wrote: post #23
blindriver wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not hyped. It's the most effective way I've seen the people around me lose weight. Some of them have lost a tremendous amount of weight very quickly. But a know a couple of them that went off it and the weight came back pretty quickly. It really is just a suppression of hunger, nothing more than that.

It can be hyped because jabs bring immediate results. And it can be prescribed by almost every doctor so number of people who can report is big, and therefore visible results can be further disseminated (hyped). But… treatment is working. Question is at what cost. If something is too good to be true, one has to ask what is behind it. But perhaps it is a similar situation to when antibiotics were invented.

Most developed medical technology doesn't have "a cost". That's puritan morality theater masquerading as wisdom.

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Post by thefz »

paulpauper wrote: post #58
jmward01 wrote: post #8

Other medications become lifelong medications but without this level of scrutiny. I am 100% in favor of finding a more permanent treatment, but switching blood pressure meds, and cholesterol meds, and other daily meds for a single once a week med is a massive improvement, especially since the all source mortality data keeps rolling in showing the efficacy here is orders of magnitude better than all the other medicati…

A constant issue here is that we keep calling this a 'weight loss drug' and society views being fat as a moral failing ant that you 'just don't have the will power' to overcome. We need to stop. If this is a lifelong drug it is worth it compared to the relatively ineffective, and just as lifelong, alternatives out there. I have noticed much less moralizing over the issue now compared to 2-3 years ago. I think more pe…

The article explains they they are not safe nor effective

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Post by paulpauper »

randallsquared wrote: post #44
jeffbee wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the problem is not that fat people are so unbelievably stupid that they didn't know this I don't suggest this applies to you, but even a small amount of searching around and reading stuff on the web will reveal a substantial subgroup of outright thermodynamics deniers.

> outright thermodynamics deniers I've heard people say this before, but when reading those arguments it mostly turns out to be people who think there's something more complicated going on with digestion, excretion, or metabolism such that eaten calories are more efficiently used for some, and burned off or passed through without full processing to some degree for people who self-reportedly "can't gain weight".

Right, the body can choose to either convert surplus calories to fat or waste heat. The latter could explain how some individuals are much more resistant to weight gain than others. This is also supported by overfeeding studies, in which controlling for relevant factors, some people gain much more fat on a deliberate calorie surplus than others.

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Post by paulpauper »

true2octave wrote: post #11
OptionOfT wrote: post #6

Being overweight is a chronic disease. Just like alcoholism, or any kind of other addictions. I've struggled with alcohol abuse, and once you come to the realization that you're abusing it, the fix FOR ME was relatively simple: I stopped (under medical supervision) drinking, or to be more precise: I stopped starting to drink. I have no problems not drinking, I have a problem that when I start I cannot stop. I have th…

What works for me is to eat highly nutritious low-glycemic food until I feel full (eggs, avocado, quinoa, etc) Otherwise I over eat crap and gain weight easily

the problem is, obese or formerly obese people clan eat a lot of anything before the full feeling sets in, no matter what. Eggs, chicken..does not matter.

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Post by XorNot »

AaronAPU wrote: post #33
jmward01 wrote: post #8

Other medications become lifelong medications but without this level of scrutiny. I am 100% in favor of finding a more permanent treatment, but switching blood pressure meds, and cholesterol meds, and other daily meds for a single once a week med is a massive improvement, especially since the all source mortality data keeps rolling in showing the efficacy here is orders of magnitude better than all the other medicati…

But it is factually true that it’s a matter of willpower, no amount of reframing it is going to change that. It’s not like others like myself, currently on a cut cycle, don’t experience hunger. The idea that we are just “lucky” ignores all the willpower and discipline we fight through to do it ourselves. I’ve eaten about 800 calories today and it is 4pm. Just finished 90 minutes on the indoor bike. My stomach feels h…

On the one hand I'm impressed but 800 is really super low. I was losing about a kilo a week at the peak of my diet eating double that.

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Post by paulpauper »

kozikow wrote: post #28

I did lose 30-40kg about 2 years ago on Ozempic. I don't count calories. I went off Ozempic (now Mounjaro) and I gain weight at about 0.5-1kg a month. As I am resistance (gym) training, significant % of that ends up being muscle mass rather than fat. So I end up taking Mounjaro for about 1-2 months every 3-4 months, approximately 33% of the time being "on". Funnily, I end up with bulk/cut periods without doing them e…

I don't count calories. I went off Ozempic (now Mounjaro) and I gain weight at about 0.5-1kg a month.

yeah that is how ppl become obese. over 2-5 years it adds up

Notice all people in the story are women.

Probably due to social media. Women may be more inclined to show off their success online. Also, women respond better to these drugs compared to men.

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Post by maxaw »

I definitely lost weight easily on wegovy and just as easily gained it back when I stopped taking it. The whole experience definitely drove home how I needed to improve my mental health alongside any “purely physical” intervention. Same situation when I lost weight by meticulously calorie counting.

I think obesity is hard to fix even when you are not a “thermodynamics denier” (as another commenter said) because all you can practice is moderation from the get go. How many people would fail to fix their alcoholism if complete abstinence, even just a period of complete abstinence to rewire the brain, was never an option? They actually had to go down to the pub and practice stopping everyday at 1 pint?

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Post by toyg »

paulpauper wrote: post #47
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of very visible and conscious messaging about losing weight. There's an equal and opposite level of messaging to keep eating, which is less conscious and runs under the radar. Snacks are literally designed to be addictive. TV ads start from birth. Most restaurants have huge portion sizes. "Family" and "Festival" events assume overeating is expected. Junk food is cheap and quality food is expensive. Over…

Most restaurants have huge portion sizes. ppl keep blaming this, but this is contradicted by shrinkflation, yet people still are getting fatter than ever. There is nothing to stop someone from buying more food to offset smaller portions.

Shrinkflation is typically a retail issue, where pricing per unit is a massive psychological factor and competition is fierce and immediate (literally the next shelf). For restaurants it's much easier to just raise prices, or to bulk up plates with cheap stuff like bread.
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