Jesus christ, Firefox is the definition of "over designed"
Firefox debuts new developer toolbar
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Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Mostly because of Chrome's feature creep. I think I'm actually quite sensitive to that, but haven't felt about Chrome that way yet. Could you explain what features you mean in particular?
Some things Chrome includes that other browsers do not: Pepper, Native Client, Chrome Web Store, WebSQL (Safari might have that one too), a native PDF viewer, SwiftShader, etc. (People of course disagree on which of those are bad and which are good.)
Isn't the native PDF viewer to protect windows users from themselves
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#63As a guy who writes software who doesn't write much html (because web is hard) I can't help but feel that having all these devtools built in by default, while nice for developers, seems silly to have wasting space on the hard drives of millions of users. They will never use the source viewers, live editing, page heuristics, etc, and it reeks of feature creep to me, and one product trying to be too many things at once…
> seems silly to have wasting space on the hard drives of millions of users. I'd be more worried about memory consumption, wasted CPU cycles, lost opportunities to let the CPU sleep, the cost of running CI tests... I am also worried about the increase in the attack surface exposed to random pages downloaded from the Web.
All Firefox Developer Tools are lazy loading so they do not use extra memory unless you open them.
Also, having the tools built in means that they are tested every time any core Firefox code is changed leading to a much more stable environment.
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#64Shift + F2 opens the command line but pressing Shift +F2 again doesn't close it. That's.....unexpected (and annoying).
This is fixed in Firefox 18.
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#65Ah, do they finally have a debugger again?
Yes, since Firefox 15.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this one better than the extensions that already existed for taking screenshots?
Which extension are your referencing. I'm currently using Page Saver but previously used Awesome Screenshot Plus until they started intercepting pages and spamming adverts to them by default. Having it in-browser is good. Also I've not seen a screenshot tool that allowed an id to be specified before as someone said this will/does.
I use this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pixlr-grabber...
Allows you to capture a defined region or the entire page, and upload / edit it online.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some things Chrome includes that other browsers do not: Pepper, Native Client, Chrome Web Store, WebSQL (Safari might have that one too), a native PDF viewer, SwiftShader, etc. (People of course disagree on which of those are bad and which are good.)
Don't forget Dart!
It's only in the Dartium branch so far, I believe - not in trunk Chromium or release Chrome. But yes, it's another controversial feature that Google is planning to bundle.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some things Chrome includes that other browsers do not: Pepper, Native Client, Chrome Web Store, WebSQL (Safari might have that one too), a native PDF viewer, SwiftShader, etc. (People of course disagree on which of those are bad and which are good.)
Flash
Ah, I forgot that, thanks!
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some things Chrome includes that other browsers do not: Pepper, Native Client, Chrome Web Store, WebSQL (Safari might have that one too), a native PDF viewer, SwiftShader, etc. (People of course disagree on which of those are bad and which are good.)
Isn't WebSQL supposed to be replaced by IndexedDB?(which FF has btw)
Yes. Google hasn't removed it yet though (apparently some Google properties use it, so there is a conflict of interest here with web standards).
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#70If Firefox had a GUI that didn't rely on the window manager's decorations (a la chrome), I would switch in a heartbeat. As it stands, using Firefox on Linux (Openbox) feels like a huge step back from Chrome.
That's interesting. Chrome's lack-of-integration with the rest of my desktop is one of the things that keeps me away.
On Linux, Chrome has an option to use system decorations. Does it lack that option on other systems?