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[dupe] Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46288491 Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46299934 No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46295268 Make Me CEO of Mozilla https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46303809
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We can only hope the market lets their preferences known. Also, that the executives don’t assume it’s a victory because people begrudgingly use the stuff, because there are no other options.
How? Everyone is doing this crap. There is no alternative.
I was going to switch to Waterfox in light of this news, but a cursory search revealed that it, too, was sold to an advertising company not long ago. While they have published a blog post opposing Mozilla's AI stance, I'm really past the point of giving ad companies any benefit of the doubt. I'm looking into Librewolf now. The browser situation grows more grim by the day.
Now this makes me genuinely curious: is there a browser which respects privacy, that is usable?
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There is the Ladybird browser project: https://ladybird.org/ I guess they will get a lot of interest after this new round of Mozilla bullshit.
Yeah Ladybird is interesting, and might become the answer to my question at some point in the future. Unfortunately, it's not a good-enough answer today.
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Do you mind catching me up on what happened to Arc? It was a HN darling IIRC and now I get very "we don't talk about it anymore" vibes.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41597250
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Mozilla is a large organization that produces many products.
...which is arguably the problem. Firefox. Thunderbird. That should be it. According to their own site, beyond that they have the browser app for mobile devices. A VPN service, an email-forwarding service, and MDN. Hardly 'many products'.
And anyway you're factually wrong. They produce much more than what you listed, many of their undertakings are contributions to open-source, the development of web standards, underlying technologies that browsers (not just Firefox) use to render the web, etc.
You're being childish and somewhat absurdly so. Mozilla and Firefox are a large part of the reason the modern web is usable (in the technical sense - usability for the deaf and blind, screen readers, etc)
I use firefox for work, and I am pretty cool with that. The other "approved" browser we have is edge which is fine, and edge actually replaced Chrome entirely when it was approved. I cant remember what caused Chrome to be dropped, but I imagine it was less impressive than a boatload of opt out AI features. Now I am going to have to propose the canonisation of one of Firefox's forks, which will be difficult because we…
I use firefox for work, and I am pretty cool with that. The other "approved" browser we have is edge which is fine, and edge actually replaced Chrome entirely when it was approved. I cant remember what caused Chrome to be dropped, but I imagine it was less impressive than a boatload of opt out AI features. Now I am going to have to propose the canonisation of one of Firefox's forks, which will be difficult because we…
Edge is just a chrome skin at this point no?
I like and regularly use the AI sidebar, and I'm interested to see that Firefox does in the AI space.
While I agree that Firefox has wasted time on non-core browser features, AI is not one of those. Browsers are information retrieval and display programs, and AI as a revolutionary information transformation technology is a natural part of that.