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TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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I wonder if that "fake permissions" Android sandboxing thing from like a decade ago still works. The right to lie to apps should be part of the new tech Magna Carta

I hate to sound like a those pesky Kagi supporters, but that is built into Graphene OS.

It's not, though. If you deny location permissions the app will still know and pester you to enable. Same with other sensitive permissions with the exception of internet.

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I guess it's pretty much impossible to stop these companies from gathering data, there's too much money in it, it's too easy to implement, and there's no cohesive force to stop them. I'm wondering whether a crowdfunded effort to feed fake data into these systems would work so we overwhelm them and make their plans a bit more difficult.

https://adnauseam.io/

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Earlier this year I downloaded TikTok once, I needed to access some very niche videos and couldn't watch them without getting an account. I never added anybody, and I never associated with any other socials, but somehow I started getting emails from TikTok that one of my NEIGHBORS were viewing my profile! Even used their full name. I deleted the account and uninstalled the app.

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Youtube: There are a few long-form creators I watch, maybe 4 hours a month of content. Besides that, viewing history is off, no apps, browser extensions block mostly everything (comments, suggestions, etc.) Instagram: I have a 15 minute daily timer, because I sometimes post, and I sometimes receive DMs. Reddit: Fully blocked, I think I ublocked everything. Tiktok: I won't even download it ever again. It has an algori…

How's the dating scene where you are? Whatever bubble I'm in, in the US, while I could not be on Instagram, that would be making things harder on myself.

I’m curious what you mean by this. Most of the guys I know treat their Instagram accounts like their LinkedIn accounts: It has enough information and occasional updates with major life changes, but they don’t actively engage with it all the time. Just let it exist and respond to any messages if they come in. Would that work, or are you saying the dating scene in your area requires some type of active constant engagement with Instagram?

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"The only winning move is not to play." If you look at these systems that same way some people look at casinos - places specifically designed to take your money - you realize there isn't a way to change them nor improve your overall experience with them. You just don't go inside. I'm kinda hoping that it becomes the trend in the next few decades to completely abandon these algorithm-driven data-hoarding attention-ste…

They're not identical concepts, but I've been bringing up "dopamine hygiene" a lot lately and it seems to resonate with people. Given that these companies tend to converge on addiction as their business model, I think there's a lot of overlap.

It seems an absurd amount of people misuse the term dopamine, I found this video https://youtu.be/x6_Ukic1tRM?t=1297 (in Polish, but there are subtitles and dubs). If you want to continue to spread "manipulative disinformation", by all means, some people have to be evil, but just be clear that it is pseudoscience up front.

Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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Notably, this started happening the day that I made my TikTok account public. My Instagram feed began to be a copy of my TikTok feed. The exact same videos. Even after changing my Tiktok back to private and deleting all of my followers, the feeds are still identical, every single day. My behavior is not. On Instagram, I follow and interact with very different accounts than on TikTok. It seems to me that Instagram is…

There are three possibilities though. One is Instagram copying TikTok, without their knowledge, the other is Instagram copying your TikTok feed with their knowledge but not their blessing, and finally Instagram copying your TikTok feed with TikTok's knowledge and their blessing. If we take a look at http://TikTok.com/robots.txt , it seems if you make your TikTok public, TikTok is happy to let Instagram take a look at…

The simplest explanation would be that Instagram crawled my TikTok's account's followers and is curating my Instagram reels based on that point in time.

However that's not what happened, because my "following list" is restricted to be viewable by "only me", even though my account was public. "Public" just means that you can view my videos without me accepting a follower request. And I don't have any videos anyway.

So I can only deduce that setting it to "public" flipped some bit in either Instagram or TikTok's backend to where now they both are sharing the same or very similar data to curate my feeds.

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Pretty sure TikTok and Instagram are sharing data somehow as well. My feeds are near identical.

Why would two competing apps share data with each other?

If two profit-seeking organizations can profit more from collaborating, why wouldn't they? Increasing profit is not zero-sum.

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I don't know, maybe they are colluding, but it is funny to default to that assumption over both platforms just delivering you the same content because you have the same behavior across both apps.

They don't have to collude, the third party advertisers that collate and provide shadow profiles do that work for them.

The advertisers don't get the raw data feeds necessary to do that.

Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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post #64

Earlier this year I downloaded TikTok once, I needed to access some very niche videos and couldn't watch them without getting an account. I never added anybody, and I never associated with any other socials, but somehow I started getting emails from TikTok that one of my NEIGHBORS were viewing my profile! Even used their full name. I deleted the account and uninstalled the app.

This is because when you click a shared TikTok link, your account and the sharer's accounts are associated in a social graph. The sharer will see your account as a suggested friend and vice versa.
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