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UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by mschuster91 »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #47
mschuster91 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But at the same time parental concern is real ... only to the degree it hasn't been manufactured by tabloid media and Russian propaganda warfare, that is. With every little news about local shootings, robberies, rapes, beatings, thefts, whatever not just making national, but in the worst case international headlines, one might think that Western countries are unsafe hellholes of the likes of actually legitimately f…

"Parents should relax and ... " "everyone should just adopt my values and then all these political problems would just disappear. voila!"

> all these political problems

The problems I mentioned aren't real, that's the point.

It hasn't just never been proven that Counter Strike et al cause amok runs, it's been disproven [1]. Consuming porn doesn't make people rapists (although I do concede: the ethical aspects particularly around studio-produced porn do require discussions), and consuming LGBT content doesn't make children LGBT. People are, to the extent that we reasonably know, born LGBT.

The fact that some organizations (particularly religious) have framed these issues as "political" doesn't make them political either.

[1] https://www.mimikama.org/mythos-killerspiele/

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by noduerme »

idle_zealot wrote: post #41
SpaceManNabs wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting to see these kinds of comments more in this thread compared to the one from yesterday. The one from yesterday was discussing how australia is banning social media for anyone under 16. Most comments were supportive because they hate social media. A few comments were discussing how it is just a way to propagate more KYC.

It's way easier to justify banning social media entirely than banning it for under-sixteens. Paradoxically it infringes on freedom less, as it bans a type of business model for being too harmful rather than restricting people's rights to view and share information.

Really? There are plenty of things that are considered harmful to minors but okay for adults. Should all those be banned too?

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by cultofmetatron »

iamacyborg wrote: post #45
baazaa wrote: post #36

On a related note, they built their digital ID so that third parties could verify attributes (it's NOT just a single-service login across government + a linking ID across government services, which is how it was sold by the BBC). They're pretty close to completely de-anonymising the internet for UK citizens. Say they introduce an Australian-style social media ban for under 16s, then requires all social media to link…

> Keep in mind the UK already arrests and imprisons vast numbers of people for speech offences I think you’ve been spending too much time on Twitter

then you haven't been paying attention. the UK is in fact arresting people for all sorts of speech online. the vast majority is not a call for violence at all.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by PunchyHamster »

iamacyborg wrote: post #45
baazaa wrote: post #36

On a related note, they built their digital ID so that third parties could verify attributes (it's NOT just a single-service login across government + a linking ID across government services, which is how it was sold by the BBC). They're pretty close to completely de-anonymising the internet for UK citizens. Say they introduce an Australian-style social media ban for under 16s, then requires all social media to link…

> Keep in mind the UK already arrests and imprisons vast numbers of people for speech offences I think you’ve been spending too much time on Twitter

compared to most countries that's correct

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by cyanydeez »

piker wrote: post #60
iamacyborg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keep in mind the UK already arrests and imprisons vast numbers of people for speech offences I think you’ve been spending too much time on Twitter

> While figures show that the total number of arrests for online posts fell to 9,700 last year, down from a record 13,800 in 2023... https://freespeechunion.org/daily-mail-investigation-exposes...

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Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by tekla »

iamacyborg wrote: post #45
baazaa wrote: post #36

On a related note, they built their digital ID so that third parties could verify attributes (it's NOT just a single-service login across government + a linking ID across government services, which is how it was sold by the BBC). They're pretty close to completely de-anonymising the internet for UK citizens. Say they introduce an Australian-style social media ban for under 16s, then requires all social media to link…

> Keep in mind the UK already arrests and imprisons vast numbers of people for speech offences I think you’ve been spending too much time on Twitter

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-make-30-arr...

> Officers from 37 police forces made 12,183 arrests in 2023, the equivalent of about 33 per day. This marks an almost 58 per cent rise in arrests since before the pandemic. In 2019, forces logged 7,734 detentions.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by tehjoker »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #40
tehjoker wrote: post #25

It's crazy that there is a house of unelected lords in an allegedly modern country.

> It's crazy that there is a house of unelected lords in an allegedly modern country. I certainly agree. But its worth noting that only 92 of the 825 seats in the Lords are reserved for hereditary peers - the remainder are nominated by the (elected) leaders of the main political parties, or are appointed for non-political achievements (science, society, business, arts, etc.) There are also 26 Church of England bishop…

That description sounds like the U.S. senate before there was a constitutional amendment to implement directly elected senators. The indirect election of senators was used to ensure that senators were selected to be favorable to elite interests. Direct election was intended to make it more responsive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_U...

However, I have many criticisms of the continuing undemocratic nature U.S. Senate (I think it should be dissolved entirely), but that reform was a good step.

It's true that the upper house will be less party political, but that is because everyone inside is very comfy with each other and aligned on policy that favors the wealthy.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by jabedude »

iamacyborg wrote: post #45
baazaa wrote: post #36

On a related note, they built their digital ID so that third parties could verify attributes (it's NOT just a single-service login across government + a linking ID across government services, which is how it was sold by the BBC). They're pretty close to completely de-anonymising the internet for UK citizens. Say they introduce an Australian-style social media ban for under 16s, then requires all social media to link…

> Keep in mind the UK already arrests and imprisons vast numbers of people for speech offences I think you’ve been spending too much time on Twitter

How many people would you guess were arrested last year for online posts?

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by iamacyborg »

fidotron wrote: post #50

The way this, and various other proposals/actions in other countries, are all popping up at the same time, seemingly independently though obviously not, has to be one of the biggest warning signs of trouble in my lifetime. Not helped by various European states deciding they want national service again all of a sudden. Our governments have turned into the very thing they claimed to be opposing for decades. It's disgra…

> Not helped by various European states deciding they want national service again all of a sudden

Their next-door neighbour is threatening war and their longtime ally has turned into an unreliable kook. It’s not all that surprising that countries are looking to bolster their defences.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by lijok »

mschuster91 wrote: post #49
lijok wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've clearly never been on Discord

Maybe go after Discord then for doing nothing meaningful against abusive, should we not? And if that means that Discord has to shut down... well, okay, if that's the price? An organisation that doesn't care about the impact on its host society is nothing more than a parasite or cancer and should be treated as such. (Besides: if you're aiming at stuff like groups of kids bullying other kids into suicide or self harm -…

I'm not debating whether they should ban VPNs for minors with you. I'm providing a counter statement to your ill-conceived thought that this is "all manufactured fear by organized groups aiming to rip our rights to pieces".
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