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JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by dijit »

cpburns2009 wrote: post #24
pixl97 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Stop getting distracted with AI slop In the business cycle this is particularly risky. You'll have a smaller base of users that don't want AI slop, but will keep using your AI anyway even if it's there. But what you lose is the large paying corporate customers that demand 'soup de jour' that end up going to VScode or whatever, and you may never get them back. Building software is hard, being profitable at it is even…

If JetBrains want's to provide a simple plugin for Copilot or Anthropic to keep the vibe coders happy, I'm not going to complain about the feature. It just seems for the past couple years they have been primarily distracted with AI: AI Assistant, Junie, and now agentics.

Anthropic and Microsoft will make those plugins, they have a direct business incentive to do so.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by sbennettmcleish »

Quite timely, I cancelled my personal all-products yesterday, likely going to re-direct those $ to a Claude subscription.

In recent times it seems like IntelliJ has become what I ran away from Eclipse for, i.e. bloat and non-performance.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by letwhile »

sbennettmcleish wrote: post #62

Quite timely, I cancelled my personal all-products yesterday, likely going to re-direct those $ to a Claude subscription. In recent times it seems like IntelliJ has become what I ran away from Eclipse for, i.e. bloat and non-performance.

You only noticed that intellij is bloated and slow in "recent times"? I call bs

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by znpy »

pxc wrote: post #54
znpy wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know what I'm about to write is a meme, however: I stopped having any performance issue after switching to GNU Emacs for my code editing. Granted, as an infrastructure guy I the codebases I work with aren't always super large. However, it's been crazy fast since always. Lately the lisp engine also got compilation to native code, so it's even faster. I occasionally get a slow down when I open a new project and emacs…

If you're accustomed to vi modes, Doom Emacs is very approachable. LLMs are also surprisingly good with Emacs Lisp, and the official docs and discoverability of Emacs are excellent, so it's pretty easy to get oriented and achieve the configurations you want even if you're not particularly a Lisp fan. Whatever starter kit you choose, I recommend giving one a go. The experience is really good these days.

I actually got accustomed to vanilla emacs and I am quite satisfied with that choice.

As a sysadmin that has to often jump from machine to machine it’s nice to be able to install whatever emacs release the os vendor ships and be productive

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

exceptione wrote: post #55

For Jetbrains: if LLM's are such a terrific productivity booster, why don't you put it to work to speed through all your open tickets and get the product in top shape? In the time you saved you can build agentic whatevers. Or LLM's aren't really that great after all? Then focus on your damn IDE. Leave refactoring by hallucination to the electron kids and just provide stable and performant editors and analyses around…

There is (unluckily) a third option (the one that LLM fans like to promote):

Currently LLMs are a rather bad productivity booster for programming, but in the near future, this will change. Whatever IDE has exceptional support for the workflows that will be possible by AI will have an insanely attractive value proposition in the future.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by blibble »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #65
exceptione wrote: post #55

For Jetbrains: if LLM's are such a terrific productivity booster, why don't you put it to work to speed through all your open tickets and get the product in top shape? In the time you saved you can build agentic whatevers. Or LLM's aren't really that great after all? Then focus on your damn IDE. Leave refactoring by hallucination to the electron kids and just provide stable and performant editors and analyses around…

There is (unluckily) a third option (the one that LLM fans like to promote): Currently LLMs are a rather bad productivity booster for programming, but in the near future, this will change. Whatever IDE has exceptional support for the workflows that will be possible by AI will have an insanely attractive value proposition in the future.

> Currently LLMs are a rather bad productivity booster for programming, but in the near future, this will change.

been hearing this for three years now

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by pjmlp »

qcnguy wrote: post #22

It's probably a wise move and not so different to what many other companies have experienced in the past. Netscape tried to remake Navigator whilst halting development on the old codebase, and it killed them. Microsoft tried to remake Word, the rewrite failed. Luckily they had continued to develop the old codebase in parallel. Google tried to remake Gmail multiple times. Every attempt failed. Apple tried for years to…

Eclipse is pretty much alive in many Fortune 500, too cheap to pay for InteliJ licenses.

Also Netbeans is my favourite Java editor for hobby coding at home.

The history of IDE market is also about the IDEs that come from OS vendors, and are a much have to target their platforms, at least for those that don't enjoy to yak shaving their favourite tools into the official development workflows from said platforms.

There JetBrains already has scored big time, getting into bed with Google for Android Studio and Kotlin, so much that it wouldn't surprise me if some day Google acquires JetBrains.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

blibble wrote: post #66
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is (unluckily) a third option (the one that LLM fans like to promote): Currently LLMs are a rather bad productivity booster for programming, but in the near future, this will change. Whatever IDE has exceptional support for the workflows that will be possible by AI will have an insanely attractive value proposition in the future.

> Currently LLMs are a rather bad productivity booster for programming, but in the near future, this will change. been hearing this for three years now

I am similarly doubtful of such claims, but just look at various posts on HN where the writers makes claims how much more productive Claude Code (before: Cursor; before that: (GitHub) Copilot) made their programming.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by pjmlp »

Argonaut998 wrote: post #60
binary132 wrote: post #39

I honestly have no idea why anyone pays for intellij besides a couple of the more niche editors, maybe.

For Java development nothing comes close. VSCode feels like a text editor in comparison, even with its extensions As for general development JetBrains just works. VSCode requires a bunch of extensions made by different independent authors with different standards and it just feels glued together and inconsistent

As if.

InteliJ only recently acquired the capability to use Clion plugins for JNI development, something that Eclipse and Netbeans have been capable of for the last 20 years, more or less.

They still don't have an incremental Java compiler, yeah you can use the one from Eclipse, so there is yet another thing that it doesn't do better.

Finally, what is with all that indexing after all these years?

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