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Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

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Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Illinois? If you cause more than $300 in damage, yes.

Just turn it upside down then. At best some “Good Samaritan” turns it right side up at some point but the food arrives late, cold, and spilled all over the inside of the robot.

Or just push for better regulation instead of resorting to childish vandalism?

Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

#62

Is it a felony if I kick that thing off the sidewalk ?

In Illinois? If you cause more than $300 in damage, yes.

Any idea if there is an argument for moving it if it obstructs sidewalk traffic, whether or not it sustains damage in the process?

I feel like you can't just leave a washing machine blocking the sidewalk unattended and sue anyone who scratches it while moving it? (IANAL)

Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

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post #33

> “Chicago sidewalks are for people, not delivery robots.” This seems to be a false dichotomy. Isn't it obvious that if there weren't robots, there would be people delivering your food instead? And as a biker, I actually find delivery drivers to be quite dangerous. They are constantly blocking the bike lane, forcing me to drive into traffic -- or they are riding their extremely heavy and fast bikes dangerously throug…

As a pedestrian I find cyclist are worse than cars for obstructing my path. Riding on the footpath (illegal here) even with bike lane available right next to it, not respectig the traffic lights (mowing through pedestrians on crossings or blocking pedestrian crossings when stopped on red light), parking by blocking the footpath (must leave 1.5m of footpath unobstructed), riding the wrong way through traffic, flying down bike lanes (40kmh limit) and raging when anyone infringes their "rights" when they respect noone. In my experience, I estimate that 20% of car drivers are a-holes, 50% or truck drivers and 80% of cyclists.

Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

#64
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person who killed the bystander has social/legal/financial ramifications. Google had zero. Anyone ever ask themselves why they have a knee-jerk impulse to support a billion dollar company's attempt at centralizing transportation?I'm sorry but safety and making your life easier isn't Silicon Valley's main concern.

Waymo’s cars are, statistically, an order of magnitude safer than human-driven cars. It sounds like your real MO is that you think SV tech doesn’t care about safety or its customers… which is fine, I guess, but it’s muddying the point you were trying to make as your comment kind of devolved into a strange rant.

For people outside the tech bubble, having strangers constantly market a product for a company they don't even work for as if it's their own spontaneous, original premise is "strange".

Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

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post #57
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your overall point is certainly valid, but there's no "dichotomy" there. I'd say "sidewalks are for people, not X" where X is pretty much anything that's not people (including scooters and bikes, even though there are people on them). If those delivery drivers were parked on the sidewalk, it would be a different discussion. Or if the robots were in the bike lane, we'd be saying "bike lanes are for bikes, not robots".

My point is that you aren't simply pushing robots off the sidewalk and getting a better city. You have externalized the problem somewhere else. "Look, our streets are free of garbage", he says, dumping it all into the ocean...

But isn't this whole concept externalizing the commercial micro-transit problem onto pedestrian-only right of way? The sidewalk is the ocean in this metaphor.

Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Illinois? If you cause more than $300 in damage, yes.

Any idea if there is an argument for moving it if it obstructs sidewalk traffic, whether or not it sustains damage in the process? I feel like you can't just leave a washing machine blocking the sidewalk unattended and sue anyone who scratches it while moving it? (IANAL)

If it obstructs the sidewalk and isn't moving, you can almost certainly move it. You should act in good faith and try to do so in a non-damaging manner if you want to avoid vandalism charges.

If it's moving? You should just wait for it to go obstruct some other part of the sidewalk.

Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

#67

“About half of all food deliveries globally are shorter than 2 and a half miles, which basically means that all of our cities are filled with burrito taxis” There is a future where a city's burrito taxis are replaced with drones rolling on the sidewalk or flying to the rooftops. And, the large majority of the remaining city drivers are replaced by robotaxis with multi-sensor 360 tracking. Where there are nearly zero…

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Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

#68
post #23

Valid points by those concerned with taking over the sidewalks. I will also say, people riding electric scooters shouldn't be zooming along at 20mph (or pedal bikes) on sidewalks either, which are a true safety hazard. And on the other side, much better for our environment, to have a lighter weight robot delivering a burrito than a 2,000lb vehicle, in terms of net energy consumption/expenditure.

Imagine how much better for the environment it'd be if your delivery was brought to you via a human-powered bicycle. Or as an in-between: e-bikes and e-mopeds. Using 2,000lb vehicles for last-mile burrito delivery is a "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" scenario. Delivery robots are an improvement because literally anything is.

Why are you assuming that a human would be more efficient and better for the environment than an electrically powered robot? It is very inefficient (approx 25%) to use food as an energy source, and humans are always burning energy. They can't turn off at night or when they are idle. I think it is very likely that the robot would be better for the environment than the person.

Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

#69
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Waymo’s cars are, statistically, an order of magnitude safer than human-driven cars. It sounds like your real MO is that you think SV tech doesn’t care about safety or its customers… which is fine, I guess, but it’s muddying the point you were trying to make as your comment kind of devolved into a strange rant.

For people outside the tech bubble, having strangers constantly market a product for a company they don't even work for as if it's their own spontaneous, original premise is "strange".

Where do you see that?

Re: Delivery robots take over Chicago sidewalks

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post #42
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person who killed the bystander has social/legal/financial ramifications. Google had zero. Anyone ever ask themselves why they have a knee-jerk impulse to support a billion dollar company's attempt at centralizing transportation?I'm sorry but safety and making your life easier isn't Silicon Valley's main concern.

if an animal runs into the road and is hit by a vehicle, as long as the driver safely stops after, i don’t think the driver is generally charged after afaik

The comment is responding to a premise made regarding a person being hit by a car--which believe it or not--has legal ramifications. And we don't have to think about it regarding the pet, civil liability is still in play for them too.
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