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Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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Ireland having 0 military capabilities, and being completely dependent on NATO, while being extremely opinionated, on how and what NATO does, always irked me deeply.

Ireland nobly took a stand against fighting the Nazis in WW2, and they've been similarly brave ever since.

Well, one can look at this as at least a step in the right direction, compared to the active collaboration with Germany during WW1 by the people who became Irish government by the time of WW2 arrived.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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The implication that having military strength is a prerequisite for having opinions about international policy is horrifying.

No offense but how is that not obvious by second grade. Don't have a big mouth if you don't have a big stick too. Ireland doesn't have quiet opinions, but a rather big mouth about other nations' foreign policy.

I find this position abject, but I'm curious what opinions are you talking about specifically. Can you elaborate?

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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> Ireland chose to take a position against colonialism By refusing to fight the Nazis? What? Are you implying that the Allies were the colonizers in WW2? (The Allied countries were also colonizers obviously, but within WW2 it's pretty obvious which countries were doing more of that, and more aggressively)

Ireland's position at the time (before they got images of concentration and elimination camps) was that what the Nazi did was no different than what colonial powers did during 200 years.

And since the Nazis invented the concentration camps in Mozambique and Namibie (taking example from Belgium) around 1909, i'd say they weren't that wrong.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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The implication that having military strength is a prerequisite for having opinions about international policy is horrifying.

No offense but how is that not obvious by second grade. Don't have a big mouth if you don't have a big stick too. Ireland doesn't have quiet opinions, but a rather big mouth about other nations' foreign policy.

At my school there were a lot of big mouths and no big sticks. Non armed debate is a thing.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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> Ireland chose to take a position against colonialism By refusing to fight the Nazis? What? Are you implying that the Allies were the colonizers in WW2? (The Allied countries were also colonizers obviously, but within WW2 it's pretty obvious which countries were doing more of that, and more aggressively)

What was a tiny, broke, agrarian country just out of a civil war that was still simmering going to do about the Nazis? They had a well-justified disdain for being pulled into the British orbit. They chose neutrality. Do you hold Switzerland and Sweden to the same standard? If Britain were to join in a conflict with Russia over Ukraine, would you expect Indian soldiers to rally to the cause of their former King and Co…

Dunno about deserting to join the Ukrainian army but they seem ok with leaving the US military and joining the Ukrainian army. See Malcolm Nance for example.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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No offense but how is that not obvious by second grade. Don't have a big mouth if you don't have a big stick too. Ireland doesn't have quiet opinions, but a rather big mouth about other nations' foreign policy.

I find this position abject, but I'm curious what opinions are you talking about specifically. Can you elaborate?

Sure they have very extreme opinions about the Ukraine situation that they make very clear at every EU parliament meeting.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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post #64

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No offense but how is that not obvious by second grade. Don't have a big mouth if you don't have a big stick too. Ireland doesn't have quiet opinions, but a rather big mouth about other nations' foreign policy.

At my school there were a lot of big mouths and no big sticks. Non armed debate is a thing.

"Armed debate" is a misread. The point of my comment was that there is little sympathy for people that bite the hand that feeds them or talk themselves into situations they don't have the wherewithal to navigate.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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I find this position abject, but I'm curious what opinions are you talking about specifically. Can you elaborate?

Sure they have very extreme opinions about the Ukraine situation that they make very clear at every EU parliament meeting.

Can you point me to some examples? I have not followed closely but it seems that Ireland is on the same page as the other EU states in regards to supporting Ukraine.

I'm also curious about what you consider a "very extreme opinion" to be in this regard.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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post #61

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Ireland nobly took a stand against fighting the Nazis in WW2, and they've been similarly brave ever since.

Well, one can look at this as at least a step in the right direction, compared to the active collaboration with Germany during WW1 by the people who became Irish government by the time of WW2 arrived.

The two world wars were not the same. WW1 was a stupid war that happened for stupid reasons, and there were no real moral differences between the sides. Many nations tried to use the war as an opportunity for independence by collaborating with the opposing side. Some of them were successful.

In Finland, we still call infantry Jägers in honor of those who went to Germany to receive military training and to fight against Russia.

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