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Post by yanhangyhy »

logicchains wrote: post #60
yanhangyhy wrote: post #59

When I was traveling in UAE, I was shocked to see some people actually using bicycles for food delivery. In China, electric motorcycle support the extremely large food delivery market, and in most cities, the streets are lined with delivery riders’ e-motorcycle and bicycles. Later, I heard that China’s Meituan has also started food delivery services in Dubai. I expect this model to expand to global markets as electri…

>When I was traveling in UAE, I was shocked to see some people actually using bicycles for food delivery. Many of those delivery workers are much poorer than even Chinese delivery workers, so are less able to afford ebikes. Because they come from countries with significantly lower GDP per capita than China.

Indeed. I’ve noticed a large number of Pakistani taxi drivers and Southeast Asian service workers. But considering the income of food delivery riders(most of the time > avg salary in the city china. not sure in UAE, but the service like Uber is pretty expensive), buying a not-too-expensive electric scooter seems to be a fairly good investment.

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Post by addaon »

m463 wrote: post #40
imglorp wrote: post #7

The US desperately needs some competition in the EV motorcycle space. There are several players but they still seem boutique and and way over what the price should be.

there's not that much of a US motorcycle market in general. As for electric, I would guess it's zero? (maybe harley?) It's interesting that japanese motorcycles have always been on the cutting edge... but not on the cutting edge as far as electric.

> As for electric, I would guess it's zero?

Yes, exactly [0].

[0] https://zeromotorcycles.com/

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Post by irjustin »

logicchains wrote: post #60
yanhangyhy wrote: post #59

When I was traveling in UAE, I was shocked to see some people actually using bicycles for food delivery. In China, electric motorcycle support the extremely large food delivery market, and in most cities, the streets are lined with delivery riders’ e-motorcycle and bicycles. Later, I heard that China’s Meituan has also started food delivery services in Dubai. I expect this model to expand to global markets as electri…

>When I was traveling in UAE, I was shocked to see some people actually using bicycles for food delivery. Many of those delivery workers are much poorer than even Chinese delivery workers, so are less able to afford ebikes. Because they come from countries with significantly lower GDP per capita than China.

> so are less able to afford ebikes

Many countries with gig economies where the individual can't afford to own the actual method of transport, a rental market pops up to enable people to be able fulfill orders.

This usually does mean they're the first ones to get squeezed. But lesser known who gets squeezed is the rental operator/provider as well. Because many times they don't own their own fleet. They can't charge higher prices like normal car rentals and own the fleet because the individual gig driver is very price sensitive.

It doesn't take too many vehicle losses to really upset the delicate math.

It's just rentals all the way down.

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Post by orbital-decay »

Sevii wrote: post #15
bluGill wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Motorcycles. Or perhaps scooters - they are form we rarely see in the US so I'm not sure exactly what to call them.

It's a lot more reasonable to use a motorcycle or scooter as your main form of transport when the max speed you are likely to encounter on the roads is 40MPH. In the US you will be sharing freeways with people going 80+MPH in SUVs daily.

As someone who always avoids four-wheeled cages if possible, I can say highways are more or less safe if you have a fast enough motorcycle, compared to slow lane filtering with big vehicles on the road. Tiny spaces, poor visibility, and things that crush you on a slighest mistake is a dangerous combination.

If you look at the "motorcycling countries" (SEA, India/Pakistan, Africa, Latin America, etc.), most terrible accidents happen because trucks share the road with an army of scooters. I've been to a few of them on a motorcycle and it's a nightmare. For the same reason, big cities in China introduced dedicated scooter lanes separated by concrete barriers.

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Post by arjie »

logicchains wrote: post #60
yanhangyhy wrote: post #59

When I was traveling in UAE, I was shocked to see some people actually using bicycles for food delivery. In China, electric motorcycle support the extremely large food delivery market, and in most cities, the streets are lined with delivery riders’ e-motorcycle and bicycles. Later, I heard that China’s Meituan has also started food delivery services in Dubai. I expect this model to expand to global markets as electri…

>When I was traveling in UAE, I was shocked to see some people actually using bicycles for food delivery. Many of those delivery workers are much poorer than even Chinese delivery workers, so are less able to afford ebikes. Because they come from countries with significantly lower GDP per capita than China.

In San Francisco, I noticed that many of the delivery drivers' e-bikes and e-scooters were labeled HMP. The natural structure for these is that you rent the bike from the provider and you keep net earnings post rent. And sure enough, when I came home and Googled there is precisely such a structure: https://www.hmpbikes.com/pages/rental-page

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Post by drnick1 »

Really not keen on the advertised "app-based anti-theft, vehicle movement alert, geo-fencing, GPS tracking." Inevitably, this will be used to track the user and sell the data to insurance companies, like car manufacturers already do. Also, it's entirely possible that the app won't work at all on free Android builds (dependencies on Google libraries). Other than the obvious range anxiety problem (80 miles just isn't enough especially if you ride it hard and that becomes 50 or less), I wouldn't buy any "connected" bike without knowing for sure that it can be fully disconnected by nuking the onboard modem.

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Post by RamblingCTO »

yanhangyhy wrote: post #59

When I was traveling in UAE, I was shocked to see some people actually using bicycles for food delivery. In China, electric motorcycle support the extremely large food delivery market, and in most cities, the streets are lined with delivery riders’ e-motorcycle and bicycles. Later, I heard that China’s Meituan has also started food delivery services in Dubai. I expect this model to expand to global markets as electri…

Pretty standard in europe. Easier to manouver, to park and you get away with more. Also cheaper.

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Post by fragmede »

euroderf wrote: post #57
alistairSH wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Vespa Sprint 150 gets ~100mpg around town. It cost ~$5000, much of which is a brand premium. 150cc scooters from other brands (Genuine, etc) are much less.

How realistic timewise is plugging e-bikes into plain old wall power ? Is it any improvement over trying to charge a e-car from wall power (i.e. all-night plus) ?

Ebikes from wall power works well. Also at ebike size, batteries are swappable, so you just get two and charge one while you're using the other one.

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Post by ojhughes »

EV motorbikes are already very popular with criminals in the UK. They make the perfect getaway vehicle as they are so quick and stealthy.

It’s very intimidating to see a group riding these things on the pavement and pulling wheelies, all wearing balaclavas.

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Post by pjc50 »

ojhughes wrote: post #69

EV motorbikes are already very popular with criminals in the UK. They make the perfect getaway vehicle as they are so quick and stealthy. It’s very intimidating to see a group riding these things on the pavement and pulling wheelies, all wearing balaclavas.

These guys are a bit of a problem in Edinburgh, but not an EV-specific one; before they were using trail bikes, which were an additional nuisance with the noise.

Not sure what level of intrusive surveillance would be needed to deal with this.

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