One thing that's really nice about codeberg is how fast the pages load. Browsing GitHub often feels very sluggish. Obviously there's a difference in scale there, but I hope codeberg can keep being fast.
Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
#62Last week the reason for the move was MS tools being used by the baddies. Today AI is the baddie du jour. To use a great quote "either do or don't, but I got places to be".
> I got places to be
Like, reading and posting on Hacker News?
Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
#63IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…
> a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system having used gerrit 10 years ago there's nothing about github's PRs that I like more, today. > code navigation simply in a web browser this is nice indeed, true. > You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. if only. GHA are a hot mess because somehow we've landed in a local minimum of pretend-YAML-but-actually-shell-js-jinja-python and they have a smaller or…
> having used gerrit 10 years ago there's nothing about github's PRs that I like more, today.
I love patch stack review systems. I understand why they're not more popular, they can be a bit harder to understand and more work to craft, but it's just a wonderful experience once you get them. Making my reviews work in phabricator made my patchsets in general so much better, and making my patchsets better have improved my communication skills.
Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, they're battling with DDoS all the time. I follow their account on Mastodon, and they're pretty open about it. I believe the correct question is "Why they are getting DDoSed this much if they are not something important?" For anyone who wants to follow: https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg Even their status page is under attack. Sorry for my French, but WTF?
Crazy. Who would have an incentive to spend resources on DDoS'ing Codeberg? The only party I can think of would be Github. I know that the normalization of ruthlessness and winner-takes-all mentality made crime mandatory for large parts of the economy, but still cannot wrap my mind around it.
its easier for MS to buy codeberg and close it than to spent time and money to DDOS things
Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
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Yeah, I have been thinking about hosting a small internet facing service on my home server, but I’m just not willing to take the risk. I’d do it on a separate internet connection, but not on my main one.
You can always use a small Hetzner server (or a free Oracle Cloud one if you are in a pinch) and install tailscale to all of your servers to create a P2P yet invisible network between your hosts. You need to protect the internet facing one properly, and set ACLs at tailscale level if you're storing anything personal on that network, though.
I would probably just ssh into the Hetzner box and not connect it to my tailnet.
Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
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That is correct. It is down quite a bit. https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg
92% uptime? What do you do the other 8% of the time? Do you just invoke git push in a loop and leave your computer on?
As discussed elsewhere in this thread: They're under DDoS, and have been very public about this fact.
Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
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You say fragmented I say decentralized.
I say "I'm not making yet another account to report this bug". Tangled is trying to solve that problem but we'll see.
That's the beauty of email-based approaches. You can just clone, do your changes and `git send-email`. Done.
I think it would've been far easier to build a decent GUI around that flow, with some email integration + a patch preview tool, rather than adding activitypub, but oh well.
Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
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You say fragmented I say decentralized.
I say "I'm not making yet another account to report this bug". Tangled is trying to solve that problem but we'll see.
I literally logged into codeberg using my GitHub account. It's two clicks of the mouse to do this.
Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
#69Zig is distributed under the MIT License. MS is completely with in their rights to clone the git repository from Codeberg and do whatever with the source code. Including feeding it to their AI algorithms. Moving it to Codeberg doesn't really fix that. I get that some people want to restrict what people can do with source code (including using it for capitalist purposes or indeed ai/machine learning). But the whole point of many open source licenses (and especially the MIT license) is actually the opposite: allowing people to do whatever they want with the source code.
The Zig attitude towards AI usage is a bit odd in my view. I don't think it's that widely shared. But good for them if they feel strongly about that.
I'm kind of intrigued by Codeberg. I had never heard of it until a few days ago and it seems like that's happening in Berlin where I live. I don't think I would want to use it for commercial projects but it looks fine for open source things. Though I do have questions about the funding model. Running all this on donations seems like it could have some issues long term for more serious projects. Moving OSS communities around can be kind of disruptive. And it probably rules out commercial usage.
This whole Github is evil anti-capitalist stance is IMHO a bit out of place. I'm fine with diversity and having more players in the market though; that's a good thing. But many of the replacements are also for profit companies; which is probably why many people are a bit disillusioned with e.g. Gitlab. Codeberg seems structured to be more resilient against that.
Otherwise, Github remains good value and I'm getting a lot of value out of for profit AI companies providing me with stuff that was clearly trained on the body of work stored inside of it. I'm even paying for that. I think it's cool that this is now possible.
Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
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That is correct. It is down quite a bit. https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg
92% uptime? What do you do the other 8% of the time? Do you just invoke git push in a loop and leave your computer on?
You keep working since Git is decentralized.
You can also run a Forgejo instance (the software that powers Codeberg) locally - it is just a single binary that takes a minute to setup - and setup a local mirror of your Codeberg repo with code, issues, etc so you have access to your issues, wiki, etc until Codeberg is up and Forgejo (though you'll have to update them manually later).