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Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Post by tooltalk »

makeitdouble wrote: post #56
tooltalk wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

very weird indeed. Apple has ~20% of the global smartphone sales, but 80% of global industry profit. pareto?

> 80% of global industry profit. Are you thinking about the "services", aka mostly mobile casinos ? I never saw a figure of Apple making 80% of profit on the devices, I'd love to see where you get the number from.

No services. Or profit margin.

Apple is the most profitable company in the smartphone business and, while their "unit sales" or market share accounts for only about 20%, Apple's share of the smartphone industry's profit is about 80+%.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Post by tooltalk »

maxglute wrote: post #47
tooltalk wrote: post #6

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I'm surprised that Samsung managed to stay #1 globally for so long after forced out of China, after Xi's rise to power in 2013.

Well huawei ban bought samsung sometime, scared PRC brands from expanding into north american market. TBH Samsung was still pretty dominant until PRC brands really turned dial on hardware while Samsung stagnated until they couldn't. The latest round of hardware is pretty good, as in PRC flagship parity worthy. TBH the Koreans are very talented, they don't have the numbers to keep up with PRC speed / product cycles, b…

Sure, I'm actually old enough to remember Huawei's Ascend sold under MetroPCS in the US back in the early 2010's. Leica collaboration with Huawei in 2016 worked wonders and other Chinese smartphone makers definitely stepped up, but, by this time, Samsung's China sales fell off the cliff by ~70+% to a low single-digit market share from its 20% peak in 2013 under Xi's "In China, For China" campaign.

Not sure if Huawei was ever a threat to Samsung or Apple outside China as most of Huawei's growth was in China only and there was no other single major market in which Huawei came close to Apple's or Samsung's. China is also the only major market where Samsung's market share is less than 1% and I'm very disinclined to believe this is coincidence. I think the common misconception is that Samsung was "outcompeted" by Huawei when it was in fact forced out of China. This practice became quite common in other industries too after Xi -- eg, all foreign competitors in EV batteries business such as LG, Panasonic, Samsung, etc were also effectively banned in China under Xi's Made-In-China 2025, launched in 2015 to protect local "champions," such as CATL/BYD.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Post by giancarlostoro »

drchickensalad wrote: post #39
giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

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I got tired of Android after 9 years of being Android only. I just wanted a phone that worked. Apple made said phone. Android feels like your younger cousin's sketchy Windows computer. I remember changing from like 2 different Android phones over a period of 4 years or so, and my amazing megapixel photos looked nowhere near as good as my cousins 5-year-old iPhone photos.

My iPhone friends literally grab my s24 ultra camera when we take pictures at cocktail bars and tell me to send them the picture

The only time my wife has been jealous of someone elses photos was when my mother in law got a new iPhone and we were five years into ours, far longer than I ever held on an Android phone for.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Post by MangoToupe »

flakiness wrote: post #30
barbazoo wrote: post #5

Not because Apple made a jump in sales but mostly because Samsung has been on a decade long decline.

I don't disagree with Samsung's decline, but: > Sales of the iPhone 17 series in the U.S. — including the iPhone Air — during the first four weeks after launch was 12% higher than that of the iPhone 16 series, excluding the iPhone 16e, the research firm said. In China, a critical market for Apple, sales of the iPhone 17 series during the same period were 18% higher than its predecessor. So iPhone 17 is selling well.…

Wait, why is the 16e excluded?

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Post by wtallis »

MangoToupe wrote: post #64
flakiness wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with Samsung's decline, but: > Sales of the iPhone 17 series in the U.S. — including the iPhone Air — during the first four weeks after launch was 12% higher than that of the iPhone 16 series, excluding the iPhone 16e, the research firm said. In China, a critical market for Apple, sales of the iPhone 17 series during the same period were 18% higher than its predecessor. So iPhone 17 is selling well.…

Wait, why is the 16e excluded?

The 16e was launched out of the usual release cycle, five months after the rest of the 16 family.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Post by JSR_FDED »

aljgz wrote: post #29

I belong to one demography of ex Samsung customers: I've blacklisted them for hurting UX to show ads. Last device: my very high-end OLED TV has the worst menu navigation, just to take me back to the home screen where they hoped to show ads to me. Once I realized they are analysing my content, even when coming from an external device to send home for ADs, I just disconnected it from the internet. I'll not buy anything…

Put an AppleTV in front of it and use it like a monitor. I’ve been blissfully unaware of the TV vendors’ bad software and invasions of privacy for years

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Post by aceazzameen »

frogperson wrote: post #65

All they have to do is put out a high end phone, vanilla android, unlocked bootloader, hardware switches, and sell it as a developer phone. they would sell a ton.

I don't think they care about the hardware anymore. They want people in the Samsung ecosystem logging in with a Samsung account being served Samsung ads in every Samsung app.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Post by vel0city »

aceazzameen wrote: post #68
frogperson wrote: post #65

All they have to do is put out a high end phone, vanilla android, unlocked bootloader, hardware switches, and sell it as a developer phone. they would sell a ton.

I don't think they care about the hardware anymore. They want people in the Samsung ecosystem logging in with a Samsung account being served Samsung ads in every Samsung app.

This is the truth. They would prefer you use Tizen instead of Android, they just can't convince app makers to build to it yet.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Post by steve1977 »

dialup_sounds wrote: post #37
gmueckl wrote: post #16

So dark patterns to increase peer pressure and hard vendor lock in work then: exploiting networking effects and social pressure like green vs. blue bubbles, technically unnecessary hard requirements for other devices that are locked into the same garden prison, random compatibility restrictions/omissions in built in apps etc. Apple really is far from innocent. They just pull their customers over the table in such a s…

Weird take. Android is still ~80% of the market.

That’s true, but that includes many low-cost devices, a market segment in which Apple clearly is not interested.
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