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Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by permo-w »

littlestymaar wrote: post #40
permo-w wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

surely that would be eternal November then

No, being released on Nov 30th means November was still before the slop era.

to be honest, GPT-3, which was pretty solid and extremely capable of producing webslop, had been out for a good while before ChatGPT, and GPT-2 even had been being used for blogslop years before. maybe ChatGPT was the beginning of when the public became aware of it, but it was going on well beforehand. and, as the sibling commenter points out, the analogy doesn't quite fit structurally either

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by AlecSchueler »

littlestymaar wrote: post #40
permo-w wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

surely that would be eternal November then

No, being released on Nov 30th means November was still before the slop era.

Yes, and this site is for everything before the slop era, hence eternal November.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by hoppp »

jrjfjgkrj wrote: post #47
swyx wrote: post #4

somebody said once we are mining "low-background tokens" like we are mining low-background (radiation) steel post WW2 and i couldnt shake the concept out of my head (wrote up in https://www.latent.space/i/139368545/the-concept-of-low-back... - but ironically repeating something somebody else said online is kinda what i'm willingly participating in, and it's unclear why human-origin tokens should be that much higher s…

every human generation built upon the slop of the previous one but we appreciated that, we called it "standing on the shoulders of giants"

You can't build on slop because slop is a slippery slope

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by johng »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #15
johng wrote: post #2

I don't know how this works under the hood but it seems like no matter how it works, it could be gamed quite easily.

"Gamed quite easily" seems like a stretch, given that the target is definitionally not moving. The search engine is fundamentally searching an immutable dataset that "just" needs to be cleaned.

How? They have an index from a previous date and nothing new will be allowed since that date? A whole copy of the internet? I don't think so.... I'm guessing, like others, it's based on the date the user/website/blog lists in the post. Which they can change at any time.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by Daz912 »

maplethorpe wrote: post #35
k_roy wrote: post #5

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Is it really here to stay? If the wheels fells off the investment train and ChatGPT etc. disappeared tomorrow, how many people would be running inference locally? I suspect most people either wouldn't meet the hardware requirements or would be too frustrated with the slow token generation to bother. My mom certainly wouldn't be talking to it anymore. Remember that a year or two ago, people were saying something simil…

>that they were the future of sharing content online

nobody was saying that

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by cindyllm »

hoppp wrote: post #64
jrjfjgkrj wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

every human generation built upon the slop of the previous one but we appreciated that, we called it "standing on the shoulders of giants"

You can't build on slop because slop is a slippery slope

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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by fragmede »

venturecruelty wrote: post #32
k_roy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shrug. Sure. Point still stands. It’s not going anywhere. And the literal hate and pure vitriol I’ve seen towards people on social media, even when they say “oh yeah; this is AI”, is unbelievable. So many online groups have just become toxic shitholes because someone once or twice a week posts something AI generated

The entire US GDP for the last few quarters is being propped up by GPU vendors and one singular chatbot company, all betting that they can make a trillion dollars on $20-per-month "it's not just X, it's Y" Markov chain generators. We have six to 12 more months of this before the first investor says "wait a minute, we're not making enough money", and the house of cards comes tumbling down. Also, maybe consider why peo…

Fascinatingly, as we found out from this HN post Markov chains don't work when scaled up, for technical reasons, so that whole transformers thing is actually necessary for this current generation of AI.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45958004

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by fragmede »

johng wrote: post #65
CGamesPlay wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Gamed quite easily" seems like a stretch, given that the target is definitionally not moving. The search engine is fundamentally searching an immutable dataset that "just" needs to be cleaned.

How? They have an index from a previous date and nothing new will be allowed since that date? A whole copy of the internet? I don't think so.... I'm guessing, like others, it's based on the date the user/website/blog lists in the post. Which they can change at any time.

Yes they do. It's called common crawl, and is available from your chosen hyperscaler vendor.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by kgwgk »

jrjfjgkrj wrote: post #47
swyx wrote: post #4

somebody said once we are mining "low-background tokens" like we are mining low-background (radiation) steel post WW2 and i couldnt shake the concept out of my head (wrote up in https://www.latent.space/i/139368545/the-concept-of-low-back... - but ironically repeating something somebody else said online is kinda what i'm willingly participating in, and it's unclear why human-origin tokens should be that much higher s…

every human generation built upon the slop of the previous one but we appreciated that, we called it "standing on the shoulders of giants"

Nothing conveys better the idea of a solid foundation to build upon than the word ‘slop’.
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