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People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by NewJazz »

rossy wrote: post #46
ahartmetz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are another somewhat closed ecosystem and becoming more closed over time. Better than a TV that runs Linux, (so far still) better than Android, worse than any "real" Linux distribution. They are mostly on the wrong side in the war on general-purpose computing.

> They are mostly on the wrong side in the war on general-purpose computing. All modern Chromebooks can be put into developer mode without opening the case, which gives you root access.

And until very recently you could install whatever apk you wanted on your android phone.

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

mystraline wrote: post #36
AndrewDucker wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, with two small kids, the last thing I want to spend my spare time doing is playing with drivers. I want things that just work.

Its not about "you must fix your own software", but that "you CAN fix your own software". Closed source OSes like MS Windows and OSX dont permit you to see, let alone fix things internally.

Sure. But for most people (even fairly technical people!), that doesn't actually provide any advantage. If one lacks the skills to fix the software, the fact that they have the ability to do so doesn't give them any benefit.

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by powerclue »

talys_cat wrote: post #49
le-mark wrote: post #18

Consumer grade windows machines have been barely useable, for a decade plus, due to pre installed crap ware. I stopped helping family members long ago. I tell them install Linux and I’ll help you. A few have and have been very happy!

*torture screaming at the background ARE YOU ENJOY MY LINUX? IT'S FULL OF JOY, RIGHT? YOU ARE HAPPY!!! YOU ALL WILL BE HAPPY!!! ___ seriously though, I do enjoy my arch, but I would never force someone to use linux by not providing help. It's basically same vibe, as with Microhard forcing it's AI vision of OS. Don't be that toxic, your relatives needed your help, and not your narcissism. If you really think, they nee…

It's not toxic to not offer infinite support for a platform you don't have familiarity with. Just like if you are vegan it's not toxic to refuse to prepare a meaty hamburger.

Yes, a toxic version of this exists, but simply refusing to do a thing isn't toxic.

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by powerclue »

sho_hn wrote: post #60
fleshmonad wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epic ragebait. > Win11 file picker is years ahead of some random file picker option available on linux First it would be nice to know why you would think this and maybe provide an example, second there are other file pickers. It should also be noted that you don't need one at all, but if you want one, there are so many options, try nemo > HiDPI Wayland > Multi monitor scaling polish What did he mean by that? Wayland…

> Hahahahaha Speaking as a Linux desktop dev, that one's right. We have a lot of homework left to do, and accessibility is an area both Windows and MacOS are more fully-featured and mature in. Part of treating users really well is also being honest about our shortcomings (and fixing them).

Hard agree. I work in digital accessibility, use Macs and Linux at home and work. It's unfortunate, but Linux is a long distance from how accessible Windows is. It's improving, but there's a ways to go.

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by talys_cat »

fleshmonad wrote: post #40
tiahura wrote: post #13

Why? I’ve been using Unix workstations since the motif days through gnome whatever, but and every single one has seemed clunky as heck compared to the contemporaneous windows. Win 11 file explorer is 20 years ahead of nautilus. Not to mention all of the other windows perks like HiDPI & multi-monitor scaling polish, rdp, vastly superior accessibility, … And you can run wsl2 if you need to.

Epic ragebait. > Win11 file picker is years ahead of some random file picker option available on linux First it would be nice to know why you would think this and maybe provide an example, second there are other file pickers. It should also be noted that you don't need one at all, but if you want one, there are so many options, try nemo > HiDPI Wayland > Multi monitor scaling polish What did he mean by that? Wayland…

not an author, but in same league (have to keep dual boot because of photo editing)

neither nautilus nor nemo provides you convenient way to navigate, to check free disks space, to check photos in an album view, to see all the file properties and customize table views.

if you don't have this usage scenarios, it doesn't mean its a ragebait.

and btw, your attitude is one of the reasons people don't want to move to linux. One more toxic community? Naah, I'm good.

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by egypturnash »

AndrewDucker wrote: post #19
kylec wrote: post #17

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What about a Mac? macOS isn't exactly Linux, but you can run a lot of Linux command line things just fine on it, and Apple will always make sure macOS works 100% on the Macs they sell.

How are they at running all of the games I own on Steam?

meh, there's gotta be a specific Mac port, and there's not much love put into keeping those working when Apple makes breaking changes like "killing 32-bit addressing" or "switching cpu architectures".

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by egypturnash »

mystraline wrote: post #36
AndrewDucker wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, with two small kids, the last thing I want to spend my spare time doing is playing with drivers. I want things that just work.

Its not about "you must fix your own software", but that "you CAN fix your own software". Closed source OSes like MS Windows and OSX dont permit you to see, let alone fix things internally.

You can fix your own software but it is not at all guaranteed that there is anyone else interested in fixing your particular problem to anything like the level of closed-source OSs.

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by Rohansi »

fracus wrote: post #38

I've been a Linux user without Windows for longer than I can remember. My biggest worry is Linux dominates the market because a FOSS OS can't dominate the market. A capitalist market won't allow it. Of course though, if say Ubuntu was heavily monetized in some way, then it simply becomes the new Windows and the FOSS community will simply present an alternative. I'm sorry you had to go on this circular journey with me…

Why can't a monetized OS also be FOSS?

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by Nextgrid »

daveguy wrote: post #32
Angostura wrote: post #27

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There a single toggle setting for Apple Intelligence in MacOS (currently toggled as 'off' on my machine)

And I bet Apple doesn't conveniently change settings in favor of data collection on a regular basis. I switched back to Linux after a few decades on Windows for work. Been back on Linux for a few months now, and haven't had any problems. My computer doesn't randomly restart (most updates don't require restart at all). No one is trying to push telemetry, half-assed AI, or OS ads on me either. So much better now on Lin…

> I bet Apple doesn't conveniently change settings in favor of data collection on a regular basis

Not to the level of Microsoft, but initially Apple Intelligence would default to on and you'd have to disable it (thankfully it needs to download gigabytes worth of ML models, which gives you a few minutes after initial OS install to toggle it off before it activates). For a while after every OS update you'd also have an onboarding screen that would try to pitch it to you with an option to "skip" in the fine print (I don't want to "skip", I want a "fuck off forever" option personally).

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by basisword »

runjake wrote: post #14
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #8

“Microsoft president Pavan Davulur tweeted on Nov. 10 that ‘Windows is evolving into an agentic OS, connecting devices, cloud, and AI to unlock intelligent productivity and secure work anywhere” Apple could probably run a Mac vs PC billboard on this tweet alone.

Apple could, but this is more or less their tagline[1], as well. Granted, I think Apple has slightly better execution, but that's pretty subjective, I suppose. 1. https://www.apple.com/os/macos/

You might want to quote the tagline in the comment. When I visit that link I see "Fresh faced. Timelessly Mac.".
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