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The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

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Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

hbarka wrote: post #56
beginnings wrote: post #54

i tried to watch it but like AI in general, it was extraordinarily boring. neural nets are really cool technically, but the whole AI thing is just getting old and I couldnt care less where its going we can guarantee that whether its the birth of superintelligence or just a very powerful but fundamentally limited algorithm, it will not be used for the betterment of mankind, it will be exploited by the few at the top a…

Hi, I’m genuinely curious about your writing style. I’m seeing this trend of no proper casing and no punctuation becoming vogue-ish. Is there a particular reason you prefer to write this way or is this writing style typical for a generation? Sincere question, not snark, coming from an older generation guy.

This is the writing style of this generation. I've just scrolled 6 months of my conversation with a friend in his twenties. Not a single comma or period to be seen. I mean on his side.

Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

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Post by walletdrainer »

awaythrow999 wrote: post #46
poszlem wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real value is coming in warfare.

Right. More accurate predictions for meta-data based killings which as championed by US in their war on terror

Metadata based killings are most likely a huge improvement from the prior state of affairs

Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

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Post by luma »

querez wrote: post #60
aswegs8 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you grew up in the internet of early 2000s, that's how we wrote online.

I grew up in the Internet at that time, and it's certainly not how I type. So you might want to be more specific about which sites or subcultures you think this style is representative of?

I’m certainly no authority but i tend to write the same way for casual communication, came from the 90s era BBS days. It was (and still is) common on irc nets too. Autocorrect fixes up some of it, but sometimes i just have ideas i’m trying to dump out of my head and the shift key isn’t helping that go faster. Emails at work get more attention, but bullshittin with friends on the PC? No need.

I’ll code switch depending on the venue, on HN i mostly Serious Post so my post history might demonstrate more care for the language than somewhere i consider more causal.

Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

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Post by ilaksh »

Greg Kohs and his team are brilliant. For example, the way it captured the emotional triumph of the AlphaFold achievement. And a lot of other things.

One of the smart choices was that it omitted a whole potential discussion about LLMs (VLMs) etc. and the fact that that part of the AI revolution was not invented in that group, and just showed them using/testing it.

One takeaway could be that you could be one of the world's most renowned AI geniuses and not invent the biggest breakthrough (like transformers). But also somewhat interesting is that even though he had been thinking about this for most of his life, the key technology (transformer-type architecture) was not invented until 2017. And they picked it up and adapted it within 3 years of it being invented.

Also I am wondering if John Jumper and/or other members of the should get a little bit more credit for adapting transformers into Evoformer.

Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

beginnings wrote: post #54

i tried to watch it but like AI in general, it was extraordinarily boring. neural nets are really cool technically, but the whole AI thing is just getting old and I couldnt care less where its going we can guarantee that whether its the birth of superintelligence or just a very powerful but fundamentally limited algorithm, it will not be used for the betterment of mankind, it will be exploited by the few at the top a…

Correct! I’m glad people are finally starting to get it

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Post by ilaksh »

lysace wrote: post #58
ilaksh wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was directed by Greg Kohs, who is a real filmmaker and does not work for Google.

Are you saying this movie production wasn't paid for by Google? If it was, surely he did?

oh it might have been paid for by Google for sure.

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Post by lysace »

ilaksh wrote: post #66
lysace wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying this movie production wasn't paid for by Google? If it was, surely he did?

oh it might have been paid for by Google for sure.

Like 99.99% probability, sure. Greg's previous big feature was on Deepmind's AlphaGo, three years after its Google acquisition.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6700846/

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Post by [deleted] »

aswegs8 wrote: post #59
hbarka wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, I’m genuinely curious about your writing style. I’m seeing this trend of no proper casing and no punctuation becoming vogue-ish. Is there a particular reason you prefer to write this way or is this writing style typical for a generation? Sincere question, not snark, coming from an older generation guy.

If you grew up in the internet of early 2000s, that's how we wrote online.

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Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

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Post by gardnr »

lysace wrote: post #67
ilaksh wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh it might have been paid for by Google for sure.

Like 99.99% probability, sure. Greg's previous big feature was on Deepmind's AlphaGo, three years after its Google acquisition. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6700846/

Full length: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y

They do a great job capturing the "Move 37" moment: https://youtu.be/WXuK6gekU1Y?t=2993

Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

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Post by dekhn »

someguy101010 wrote: post #53

reposting this from youtube comment From 1:14:55-1:15:20, within the span of 25 seconds, the way Demis spoke about releasing all known sequences without a shred of doubt was so amazing to see. There wasn't a single second where he worried about the business side of it (profits, earnings, shareholders, investors) —he just knew it had to be open source for the betterment of the world. Gave me goosebumps. I watched that…

Another way to interpret this (and I don't mean it pejoratively at all): Demis has been optimizing his chances for winning a nobel prize for quite some time now. Releasing the data increased that chance. He also would have been fairly certain that the commercial value of the predictions was fairly low (simply predicting structures accurately was never the rate-limiting step for downstream things like drug discovery). And that he and his team would have a commercial advantage by developing better proprietary models using them to make discoveries.
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