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Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Folks in the comments here begging ChatGPT to teach them how to read

It is not the reader's fault if the article is unreadable in the first place.

Not to mention that asking help to explain a text is extremely common. I can read English, but I have never read a US supreme court ruling. There are much better ways for me to understand those rulings to me as a non-lawyer.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Folks in the comments here begging ChatGPT to teach them how to read

This article is poorly written. It’s so desperate to be clever and edgy that it’s hard to get the facts out of it. ChatGPT isn’t really a solution because the source is both low quality and has questionable motives. Going to any of the other good articles on the subject that have been linked in this comment section is much better.

this is the future of human-written articles - they will obligatory be written like this as 99% of article comments on HN these days is “oh, this is AI written.” :)

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the llc declares bankruptcy does meta have to pay the bank for it - or can they buy the assets at fire sale prices?

Mechanistically, how would the LLC achieve bankruptcy?

you just... file for bankruptcy like any other person or corporation?

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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> This treatment is considered acceptable because the people who decide what is acceptable have accepted it. Wasn't that the root of the 2008 crash? The debt spiral was acceptable because people were making enough money in the present that regulators were powerless to advise against it. In a sane world people often go to jail for decades when doing this at pennies on the dollar.

The 2008 crash was in part caused by inaccurately rating synthetic bundles of subprime mortgage debt as extremely low risk (e.g. AAA). Subprime borrowers had a much higher risk of defaulting than a AAA rating implied.

On the other hand, Meta has great creditworthiness. And guarantees this vehicle. So... it's not the same.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the whole point of LLC was to limit liability so you wouldn't be liable for debt beyond your paid up capital? Why would you ever sign a personal guarantee?

banks are not stupid… you can’t just open LLC, borrow billion bucks, spend it and then be like “oops, LLC mates, not liable”

You can if you are Meta and are willing to litigate the hell out of it.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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It’s buried in the article but this about a debt vehicle created to finance a “2.064 GW hyperscale data center campus”. That’s approximately equivalent to a One-Third-Gorges Dam (one tenth of the Three Gorges Dam.) Downstream of the capex to build the data centre is, presumably, a sister capex to build a power station. At what stage do these come hand in hand? Or does this financing include provisions to pay the elec…

> Or does this financing include provisions to pay the electricity bills for the next ten years which, in turn, gets used by the power company to finance the construction of a new power plant? The power company gets some kind of heads up?

Mostly things like this, yeah. The hyperscalers don't want to get into the power business.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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This is hardly a secret. Matt Levine blogged about it: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newsletters/2025-10-29/put...

Does it need to be a secret to be noteworthy, especially if it’s apparently working despite not being a secret anymore?

I meant to say it's not new information. The blog post I linked is from a month ago. It is also more accessible for casual reading.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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I’m guessing Meta isn’t the only one doing this

Right.

> I should say that the big tech companies did not invent this technology to build AI data centers. This sort of thing — project finance, non-consolidated joint ventures, borrowing out of boxes — has a long history in a lot of capital-intensive industries.

Levine attributes a recent increase to private credit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newsletters/2025-10-29/put...

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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A lot of comments praising this summary, but I'll criticize it: it's still too verbose, and misses the point. Meta wants to fund this project, but doesn't want the debt on own its books (because it would impact its vanity AA credit rating). Debt investors are happy to finance a special purpose vehicle guaranteed (in a non debt way) by Meta at a credit rating almost as good as Meta's (say, A). No one is confused this…

So… ‘vanity’ ratings… what’s the point of them then.
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