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New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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Post by lelanthran »

pjc50 wrote: post #57
lelanthran wrote: post #6

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It is difficult to get society to accept that maybe it's time to balance the constant public and media validation of women with some public and media validation of men. Disney has seen a bunch of Marvel flops since they switched the focus to Marvel properties that target women (they've since publicly indicated a course correction on this). Take a bunch of IP that primarily males are interested in (super-heros), water…

> Marvel One of my most crank opinions is that superhero stuff is (a) for kids, (b) inherently a bit fascist even if you make it textually anti-fascist, and (c) ultimately like popcorn, something that should be only a small part of a more varied diet. Now, that's not a terribly strong opinion, and I know it'll make a lot of people mad, but I have personally got fed up with the oversupply of superhero stuff and believ…

> One of my most crank opinions is that superhero stuff is (a) for kids,

You must not have seen The Boys (Prime Video) :-)

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> ... there should be more movies that mixed-gender adult audiences would like. Maybe find a way of doing an action-romcom that men will like.

Maybe has the same problem that changing super-hero movies has - you make less money.

The movie Killers with k-Something-Heigl, that guy from The Butterfly Effect and Tom Selleck was a rom-com that I enjoyed, but AFAIK it wasn't as popular with females as standard rom-coms, and wasn't as popular with males as action movies.

> Characters that have human level ability and must find human level solutions.

That's not why people see movies, though; I might find that entertaining, and you might find that entertaining, but it's a pretty hard sell if if doesn't make enough money.

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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Post by yetihehe »

sunrunner wrote: post #45
yetihehe wrote: post #21

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No, so we can all be schooled in "Why Every Man Should Be Strong"[0], "How to Set a Table"[1], "9 Ways to Start a Fire Without Matches"[2] or "Win the War on Debt: 80 Ways to Be Frugal and Save Money"[3]. You used probably the weakest reason to discredit the idea of men improving themselves. That's not a "good" manly behavior. [0] https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/fitness/why-ev... [1] https://www.artofma…

> You used probably the weakest reason to discredit the idea of men improving themselves Those examples you posted that actually are good would also seem to me to be universally important for everyone across all genders. '80 Ways to Be Frugal and Save Money' seems useful for everyone , and while I doubt a lot of people are going to need '9 Ways to Start a Fire Without Matches' immediately, what makes that specificall…

> Yes, I picked those examples deliberately, but I don't see why any of the qualitatively good ones are 'manly'.

What was your goal? What was your argument? I said that we need men to be more manly (strong and able to do things that are historically considered to be done by men) and you said that those can be also done by women? I would consider woman able to change a tire, play cards and start fire without matches to be manly. If she wants to, she can of course.

Currently the problem is that we indirectly say to men that being strong is for women and not for men. We say to women "be more manly" and to men "be more womanly", which just perpetuates old cliches, but in reverse.

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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Post by Jgoauh »

pjc50 wrote: post #56
Jgoauh wrote: post #48

I think there is a big problem around "man things" and "girl things" that has cost a lot to society, the women scientists who thought it wasn't for them, the men teachers and nurses who thought the same, and all the knowledge kept from people seen as being the wrong gender for it (cooking, cleaning, car repair ...) and i think the solution and a necessary step for the advancement of humanity is the recognition that t…

A lot of people on bluesky have very good "wow, everything is gender now" observations about just how stupid US politics has become.

yes i remember Contrapoins patreon only video about "mommy and daddy politics" where she says conservatives imagine the government as a patriarchal father figure

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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Post by yetihehe »

jacquesm wrote: post #38
dmichulke wrote: post #29

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Where do you think this should be discussed if not here?

Tbh I do not know but I'm sick and tired of seeing these threads devolve in the most cringe way possible. Tech already has a bad reputation in this respect and HN really isn't helping. And reading some of the comments in this thread that assessment was spot on.

> Tech already has a bad reputation in this respect and HN really isn't helping.

You are part of HN, now is your chance at helping.

Discussion means that you will see opinions that are plainly wrong. That's a good place to argue and present better opinions. If you don't present better opinions, no one will be convinced. If you don't voice your opinions, you might not known that they are wrong or harmful. I've voiced a lot of opinions on HN, which after correcting by others, helped me become a slightly better human.

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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Post by oulipo2 »

philipallstar wrote: post #16
oulipo2 wrote: post #5

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You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. We don't have what we want because we're in a ruthless capitalist socie…

> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women The reverse of this has been what's been dominating for a decade. Anything pro-men (or even just neutral) can be accused of being anti-woman, which creates a chilling effect as female-dominated HR departments can make life very difficult for men looking to provide for their families.

Absolutely untrue. Feminism has NEVER been against men. Only people who half-ass reading about feminism, and rely too much on stupid far-right videos on TikTok believe that

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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Post by CalRobert »

oulipo2 wrote: post #65
philipallstar wrote: post #16

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> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women The reverse of this has been what's been dominating for a decade. Anything pro-men (or even just neutral) can be accused of being anti-woman, which creates a chilling effect as female-dominated HR departments can make life very difficult for men looking to provide for their families.

Absolutely untrue. Feminism has NEVER been against men. Only people who half-ass reading about feminism, and rely too much on stupid far-right videos on TikTok believe that

Ummm… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto seems pretty overtly against men.

(It’s literally the society for cutting up men)

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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Post by yetihehe »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #68

Why is this flagged?! dang, mods, this is getting ridiculous. A couple of people are deciding what the community is discussing. Something needs to change.

Because HN is about technology, and original link is about social issues. Tech-oriented people are famously bad at dealing with social issues.
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