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Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

lleu wrote: post #58
arcanemachiner wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn kids and their hibbity hoppity...

Different frequencies, different arrangement of tones and melodies, production and tonal qualities of the recording, and all manner of composition variations have different effects. It might be crass way to say it, but it's a real worthwhile line of inquiry. Don't think you can smack any beat on someone's head and it will cure cancer. It's not all equal. Broad strokes here... if you look at another vibrational medium…

What I’m hearing is “it’s different music.” Why does this justify a reduction to “sounds with a beat”?

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by npteljes »

In case anyone else is also interested in the "what kind of music", this is straight from the study:

>>The patients were asked to choose their preferred music from two prerecorded instrumental musical pieces instituted as the music therapy. We used non lyrical, soft, slow tempo, relaxing instrumental musical pieces of either flute [click here for audio]or piano [click here for audio]as the choices presented to the patient.The musical pieces were selected based on their slow and meditative tempo (60-100 beats per minute), and only non -lyrical instrumental piano or flute based versions were chosen.The flute version which was preferred by most patients was a combination of Raga Yaman and Raga Kirwani. Raga Yaman is bright and uplifting and Raga Kir wani is known for its soothing and calming effects. Combining these two Hindustani classical ragas provides musically uplifting qualities that could be helpful in reducing the stress associated with surgical procedures and control the hemodynamic responses to surgery. Noise cancelling headphoneswere used to play the instrumental pieces at 60db. The musical piece was played for the entire duration of the surgery on loop using blue tooth connectivity of the headphones with a mobile phone.<<

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

j_mo wrote: post #49
dyauspitr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good music is subjective. Aside from the guitar skills involved in shredding, I think heavy metal is probably the worst genre of music.

I'd say good music is objective. Whether it's hard to play, uses complex polyrhythms etc. which most listeners aren't even aware of - and those people tend to think good music is subjective as they can't perceive the quality, only whether they like it or not . There's also some incredibly skilful metal music with no "shredding" whatsoever. I don't particularly like Mozart but I'd be an idiot to say it's not good musi…

Complexity isn’t really the thing either. I’ve heard a ton of terrible but technical songs. Often the coolest songs are remarkably simple, yet manage to do something that feels new. A modern example: https://youtu.be/ga8K_diGviw

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by cobri »

kunley wrote: post #51

The crucial issue is: what kind of music. A lot of what's nowadays called music is actually rather a "sounds with some beat" category.

From the study: "The musical pieces were selected based on their slow and meditative tempo (60-100 beats per minute), and only non -lyrical instrumental piano or flute based versions were chosen.The flute version which was preferred by most patients was a combination of Raga Yaman and Raga Kirwani. Raga Yaman is bright and uplifting and Raga Kir wani is known for its soothing and calming effects. Combining these two Hindustani classical ragas provides musically uplifting qualities that could be helpful in reducing the stress associated with surgical procedures and control the hemodynamic responses to surgery. Noise cancelling headphoneswere used to play the instrumental pieces at 60db."

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Post by analog8374 »

wrp wrote: post #50
bell-cot wrote: post #46

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Music might be nice - but I'd prioritize comfy noise cancelling headphones and sleep masks, so the poor patients can get some sleep amid the hospital's beeping gadgets, hard surfaces, and blinkenlights.

I recently attended someone in the hospital. The constant beeping and alarms round the clock prevented any deep sleep for days, and seemed to hinder recovery.

I have seen the same. Literally crazy, right?

The hospital reminds me of Walmart. Soulless as a bag of hammers but technically proficient and efficient. Carnivorous. Insectile.

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Post by simonask »

kunley wrote: post #51

The crucial issue is: what kind of music. A lot of what's nowadays called music is actually rather a "sounds with some beat" category.

Music major here. Surprise, all music you know is “sounds with some beat”.

I don’t know what counts as Music to you, but I sure hope you’re not out here trying to promote your particular taste as somehow more refined, because we know a lot about how that is usually just good old classist, generational, or racist biases peeking out.

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Post by arethuza »

rurp wrote: post #56
arethuza wrote: post #10

A while back I had to have a long and unpleasant dental procedure - a bone graft so I could get an implant in an area where the bone had been damaged - this took about 4 hours. During this time the dentist played music - mostly various works selected at random by Hans Zimmer. At one point things got a bit intense as apparently I have very hard bones - which meant that quite a bit of force was being used. The music pl…

Hah, that's great. My dentist has overhead TVs in all of the rooms. Before a longer appointment I asked if I could bring some over-ear headphones to connect to the TV. Surprisingly nobody had asked that before but they were fine with it. The headphones drowned out the drilling and other noises and helped me zone out into some shows.

I'm very short sighted so TVs wouldn't work for me, but I also tend to keep my eyes tight shut in case I see any of the ghastly instruments being used!

[During the bone graft I did open my eyes briefly and saw a small for clearly identifiable circular saw].

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by lleu »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #61
lleu wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different frequencies, different arrangement of tones and melodies, production and tonal qualities of the recording, and all manner of composition variations have different effects. It might be crass way to say it, but it's a real worthwhile line of inquiry. Don't think you can smack any beat on someone's head and it will cure cancer. It's not all equal. Broad strokes here... if you look at another vibrational medium…

What I’m hearing is “it’s different music.” Why does this justify a reduction to “sounds with a beat”?

In this case, I see multiple parties resorting to pedantry over a legitimate point of discussion, reducing to mud slinging over semantics. The point stands.
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