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It's amazing how the design world in my experience loves to use closed-source software, Figma first. The chiasm with the dev world is huge. Penpot's cool in this perspective.
Open vs. closed source is a secondary consideration outside tech circles, and often within.
You don't just have to self-host, they offer a hosted version that's far more reasonably priced than Figma[1]. Their free tier supports up to 8 members, limited to 10GB of storage. The next tier supports unlimited members, and is price-capped at $175 a month, but is limited to 25GB of storage. The final tier is price-capped at $950 a month, with unlimited storage. [1] https://penpot.app/pricing
> unlimited storage Surely it's not actually unlimited. I wish such claims wouldn't be as common in the industry.
Firms like penpot are basically saying "look, if you pay us this much, we're not going to put hard quotas on you, just get on with it", but if you then try storing backups of annas archive on it, they are probably going to suggest that you are not operating within the spirit of the agreement, even if you're within the letter of it: fair use will apply.
Some people like to know where they stand. They want hard quotas. So fine, ask them for hard quotas. Ask for the fair use clause and understand it.
Most of us know what it means (it's a soft quota with fair use limitations), and are happy with not abusing the tier and having a bit more freedom, though.
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Don’t use the unlimited lie then, I assume.
It's not a lie if no one is abusing it. Travel to high trust societies if you don't get what I mean. Things would be so much easier if we could expect human decency and ethics, even if there is no law against it, because it goes against our values as humans.
It absolutely is a lie, but you might live in a society where constant lying has been normalized. Personally, I believe that society would be better off if companies were held to the letter of their words.
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Don’t use the unlimited lie then, I assume.
It's not a lie if no one is abusing it. Travel to high trust societies if you don't get what I mean. Things would be so much easier if we could expect human decency and ethics, even if there is no law against it, because it goes against our values as humans.
You don't build high trust societies with lies
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> unlimited storage Surely it's not actually unlimited. I wish such claims wouldn't be as common in the industry.
It's a little like "unlimited holidays". If you turn up on day 1 and then say "Right, I'm off on my unlimited holidays! See you never!" and disappeared, they would stop paying you. There is an implicit fair use clause in all unlimited offers - I know a guy who pushed back on "unlimited holidays" because he didn't want to get penalised in performance reviews and it turns out that in his UK-based org it was 29 days a y…
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> unlimited storage Surely it's not actually unlimited. I wish such claims wouldn't be as common in the industry.
It's a little like "unlimited holidays". If you turn up on day 1 and then say "Right, I'm off on my unlimited holidays! See you never!" and disappeared, they would stop paying you. There is an implicit fair use clause in all unlimited offers - I know a guy who pushed back on "unlimited holidays" because he didn't want to get penalised in performance reviews and it turns out that in his UK-based org it was 29 days a y…
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Don’t use the unlimited lie then, I assume.
"starbucks says there is no limit on how many napkins I can use but they got mad when I took the whole container, liars"
You don't just have to self-host, they offer a hosted version that's far more reasonably priced than Figma[1]. Their free tier supports up to 8 members, limited to 10GB of storage. The next tier supports unlimited members, and is price-capped at $175 a month, but is limited to 25GB of storage. The final tier is price-capped at $950 a month, with unlimited storage. [1] https://penpot.app/pricing
Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a lie if no one is abusing it. Travel to high trust societies if you don't get what I mean. Things would be so much easier if we could expect human decency and ethics, even if there is no law against it, because it goes against our values as humans.
> It's not a lie if no one is abusing it. It absolutely is a lie, but you might live in a society where constant lying has been normalized. Personally, I believe that society would be better off if companies were held to the letter of their words.
For example, consider a restaurant that offers free rice refills because Asian people love eating rice to fill up. An employee working overtime who really needs it can get as many refills as they want.
Of course, this system falls apart if everyone starts doing it, as the restaurant would need to bake that cost into the price to sustain the business.
But my point is: you can have nice things in society, or you can have a dystopia where people take advantage of each other at every single opportunity.
The choice is yours.
You don't just have to self-host, they offer a hosted version that's far more reasonably priced than Figma[1]. Their free tier supports up to 8 members, limited to 10GB of storage. The next tier supports unlimited members, and is price-capped at $175 a month, but is limited to 25GB of storage. The final tier is price-capped at $950 a month, with unlimited storage. [1] https://penpot.app/pricing
> unlimited storage Surely it's not actually unlimited. I wish such claims wouldn't be as common in the industry.